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After 5 years or so, I bought an old car #3166088
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Unfortunately, it's not a Mopar. I really expected it to be one, but I think there's some here who would appreciate it.

I was visiting family in Buenos Aires and a friend sent me the FB ad while I was overseas. I begun chatting with the guy then and called him immediately when I got home. A friend's cousin had already seen the car so I knew what I was up against, but the car ran well, so any issues with rust and the interior were perfect because I'm a dummy with my hands. This will allow me to enjoy the vehicle somewhat while I learn body work and other stuff. Alas, I have a broken ankle so I will have to wait to drive it.

It arrived a week ago Saturday, and the following day I found the original owner--all 89 years of him! He was a Mopar guy but bought this. Notice it's a 2-door sedan.....

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Re: After 5 years or so, I bought an old car [Re: Diego (not Ted)] #3166093
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How rare is that Diego? 389? and a 4 speed. I'd say you've done well. Nice fun car.


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Re: After 5 years or so, I bought an old car [Re: klunick] #3166097
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It's a 428/375. I have a friend who has one with the 428 HO, which is currently on display at the Gilmore.

The pages from the GM Heritage Museum are MIA so I don't have any info on this specific body style and engine combo. This is all I know:

-- 755 4-speeds for all big Pontiacs
-- 609 428 4-speeds, plus another 146 HOs for all big Pontiacs
-- 363 Catalina 4-speeds
--1,160 428s installed in Catalinas, but only 314 had a manual tranny

I can guess most of them were installed in hardtops and, perhaps, ragtops, with the balance going to 4-doors, wagons, and this 2-door sedan. I don't know any more than what I posted above and I wouldn't want to speculate cuz I hate when people do that. Looking at other cars with known numbers, like a Fury I vs. a more upscale Fury hardtop, I think it stands to reason this is quite an unusual vehicle. Has suspension package with sway bar, gauges, and dual exhausts, so it has some decent options.

Re: After 5 years or so, I bought an old car [Re: Diego (not Ted)] #3166103
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I appreciate it! wave That thing is AWSOME!! drive thumbs


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Very nice!! Enjoy!!

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Re: After 5 years or so, I bought an old car [Re: FM3AAR] #3166128
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It's fine by me - I was shocked to scroll down and see the stick.
I'd bet that car is VERY rare; you should document it before any restoration work.
Have fun !

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Re: After 5 years or so, I bought an old car [Re: bobby66] #3166145
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Rare indeed. Congrats up


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Re: After 5 years or so, I bought an old car [Re: Diego (not Ted)] #3166155
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What year and model is it confused?


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Oh duh! It's a 1968 Catalina two-door sedan, the cheapest big Pontiac. Standard was a 400-2, with a 340-horse 400 optional. Next step up was a 428/375, which this has, and a 428/390.

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Nice car, my dad had a 4 door version back when I was a kid in the early 80's. His brother bought it for $200 and drove it back home from the west coast to east coast with no reverse, his joke was "didnt matter, I wasnt going back". It was all primer spots and door dings but my dad did all the body work and made it pretty sweet before flipping it.

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Gorgeous and cool.

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Nice looking Poncho, and a 4 gear!


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There's a fellow in my area that has a 69 Galaxie 2 door with a 4 speed.

Full size stick big engine cars are proof that even dads needed to have some fun.


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Wow, Diego, that's an awesome find! And it looks pretty unmolested, too, with the whitewalls and wheel covers still in place!
That would be a multiple-photo car if I came across it at a show or cruise. Enjoy!


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What part of the country did it come from? I guess the pics are from the seller because they don't look like it is New York.

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Great find! I'm sure you'll have a lot of fun with it.

I had a '68 Catalina convertible that I flipped in the late '70's. Still regret selling it.....

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What a cool old Poncho! Enjoy! boogie


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Awesome car Diego! I love big full size cars of all brands. My dad owned a '64 Catalina 2 door hardtop, that he bought new.
It was turquoise with turquoise cloth/vinyl interior. Wish I could find it.


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428 4 speed?! Yeah, that qualifies as cool! 👍

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Might want to obtain paperwork from PHS on the car - might not be the only one made, but could be close to that.

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Very nice. Great find!

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Originally Posted by Moparite
What part of the country did it come from? I guess the pics are from the seller because they don't look like it is New York.


It is originally from Northern California. I believe it was bought new in Redwood City. The guy I bought it from lived in Torrance, CA, so I had it shipped out to me because I didn't want to drive it in the desert with the heat wave, not to mention my ankle can't handle the clutch for 7 hours.

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Originally Posted by topside
Might want to obtain paperwork from PHS on the car - might not be the only one made, but could be close to that.


I have the paperwork.

PHS may have a few counts on the ultra-rare, like Trans Am ragtops or 1971 Judge ragtops, but they don't have production numbers as a whole except for engines and transmissions. Until missing paperwork pops up, there will be no way for me to know how many built. I do agree it's quite a rare piece.

This is my friend's car. It has the 428 HO, 4-speed, 4.11 gears from the factory. It's a strange one. Mine doesn't compare.

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Congrats, Diego. That's a great find!!

I'm sure you're counting the days until your ankle heals up so you can get out and start rowing some gears! thumbs

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Nice Poncho, congrats!

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I smell a new purestocker

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Great car. I dig the unusual stuff, especially full size. Congratulations

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Wow. I'm a "Mopar or No Car" guy but I can definitely appreciate this Pontiac! up


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Originally Posted by Seth_Jones
I smell a new purestocker


It's terribly logical to build it as an HO and see what it can do.

But I live 2000 miles away, and I'm the announcer besides. Not gonna skip my weekend job to drive.

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Cool car! The 4 speed definitely makes it awesome!


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Originally Posted by SNK-EYZ
Cool car! The 4 speed definitely makes it awesome!
Definitely. Can imagine a young guy just home from Vietnam buying something like this.


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I'm a "Mopar or No Car" guy

I am also but a few years ago i picked up a V12 Mercedes. The first non mopar car i ever owned. Pontiac's are alright, I liked a few of them. It's just the Chebys i can't stand.

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Originally Posted by Moparite
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I'm a "Mopar or No Car" guy

I am also but a few years ago i picked up a V12 Mercedes. The first non mopar car i ever owned. Pontiac's are alright, I liked a few of them. It's just the Chebys i can't stand.
Exactly. A Pontiac or Olds, very cool. No chebbies! My brother and I loved Mercedes when we were kids (Mopars more though) and I still think they are cool.


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Very cool car. I like it better than the Caprice or Biscayne.

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congratulations on your new toy Diego

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Nothing wrong with a Pontiac. If I didn't have so many projects, I'd have a '64 Catalina. Always loved them.


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My experience with big Ponchos is only Grand Prix cars. I've had 3.. My '69 was a 428/three pedal car - yellow with a black top and interior. Tons of fun! Dad hooked me on GPs with his '63GP. Was a 421/4-gear car. Still love MOPARS, but the Ponchos are sweet, as well. Nice car, good find. Congrats!

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Thanks!

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Absolutely beautiful car. I'm jealous.


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