Re: Who should keep the dog? The K9 officer, or the department?
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“He’s part of my family, we love him, I just don’t understand,” said Kaetzel. Complicating the issue is the fact that Kaetzel filed a federal lawsuit against the city of Bedford Heights on July 19, seeking back pay, for overtime hours that he claims he worked over the years while caring for and training the police dog. So he wants the dog for $1.00 and be paid overtime for caring for "a part of my family"? I'm having a bit of trouble working up any sympathy for Kaetzel.
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Re: Who should keep the dog? The K9 officer, or the department?
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^ my thoughts as well. Wants it both ways.
Also, the city paid for the dog, and paid for the training. Dog belongs to the taxpayers.
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Re: Who should keep the dog? The K9 officer, or the department?
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^ my thoughts as well. Wants it both ways.
Also, the city paid for the dog, and paid for the training. Dog belongs to the taxpayers. While I agree with the above I wonder how well if at all the dog will work with a new partner. Are these dogs trained to work with multiple partners or are they totally imprinted to their officer and totally useless to someone else? Or maybe the dog will be loyal to whoever feeds it. I am no expert on dog training. Our dog knows way more English words than I know dog words.
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Re: Who should keep the dog? The K9 officer, or the department?
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I'm all for this type of solution to allow him to keep the dog - cop (or his new department, preferably, if they're going to use the officer as a K9 officer) pays a pro-rated portion of the cost paid by the current department to obtain and train the dog. Average service time is 8-10 years. Let's call it 9 for the sake of discussion. Dog has 5 years in the role, 4 years left based on a 9 year service life. Pay current department 45% of the cost and keep the dog.
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Re: Who should keep the dog? The K9 officer, or the department?
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There are thousands of military working dogs currently on duty. You do not get to keep them as pets when you PCS, ETS, or whatever. They can be and are re-trained to work with a new handler. To imply that this "can't be done" is not true.
If you are the type of person who chafes at calling a working dog "property", then instead call them "a beloved co-worker that you will really miss working with." Either way it should stay at the PD.
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Re: Who should keep the dog? The K9 officer, or the department?
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Is there a provision for transfer of assets from one entity to another? Bedford Hts. to his new department, for example?
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Re: Who should keep the dog? The K9 officer, or the department?
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Is there a provision for transfer of assets from one entity to another? Bedford Hts. to his new department, for example? It would have to be within the same taxpayer base like police to fire or the school district - its just a budget reallocation then - its gets really complicated trying to transfer to another municipality What they did in Officer Jim Smith's case is hold an auction and Jim was the only bidder at $1 - there was no other person that had the stones to bid in front of an angry crowd
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Re: Who should keep the dog? The K9 officer, or the department?
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I'm sure the dog would prefer to be with his family
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Re: Who should keep the dog? The K9 officer, or the department?
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I'm sure you're right. As a taxpayer, I'd want something in return though. I don't think it's unreasonable for him to want to keep the dog, but I think it's very unreasonable for him to expect the city to just give the dog to him.
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Re: Who should keep the dog? The K9 officer, or the department?
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Will the dog simply be a pet, or will it become part of a K9 unit team at the new job?
How many K9 units does the old department have? If this dog is the only one, how long does it take to get and train another dog? Is there another qualified handler already at the old department?
From a tax payer's perspective, who has to pay for the training of the replacement dog, and how much does that cost? Will there even be a K9 unit after this dog and the officer leaves?
Is the trained dog going to be part of the officers K9 unit at the new Police department? In other words, is he taking his trained dog with him to the new job as part of the job? Does that next city already have an established K9 unit, or will this officer and the dog be the new K9 unit? If that was the case, it would seem the new city should be paying for the previously trained dog, especially if this dog IS the new K9 unit.
The guy wanting back pay for "taking care" of the dog for 5 years is way out of line. I believe it was a simple way to try to blackmail the department into letting him keep the dog, but it was a pretty poor plan for a police officer, speaks volumes about him.
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Re: Who should keep the dog? The K9 officer, or the department?
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I believe that's the only K9 in that department.
EDIT: He returned the dog to the department today.
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Re: Who should keep the dog? The K9 officer, or the department?
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My nephew is Odin's K9 officer. I don't know what his thoughts are on the story, but I am pretty sure that Odin won't be going anywhere when either of them retire.
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Re: Who should keep the dog? The K9 officer, or the department?
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Of course, and it seems to be typical that the dog remains with the handler when the dog is retired from service. That's not the case here. This officer got a job with another department, sued his former department for OT pay for time spent caring for the dog during off hours, and then wanted to keep the dog, THe dog is not due to retire from service yet.
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