Re: Changing 69 R/T to elect. ignition?
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the MP chrome box and a new or used plug in connector for the box, a MP 1.25 ohm ballast. the archives will have the schematics and the wire gauges needed.
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Re: Changing 69 R/T to elect. ignition?
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Pertronix......Ignitor II, Pertronix Flame thrower coil, Pertronix Plugwire set stock and custom available.....everythings available from Summit.......you could order all the above for under $200......... You can eliminate the ballast resistor from the wiring system,.....and if you prefer you can leave it in place(non-functional) for "cosmetics", if your worried about an original appearance under hood,......my recommendation is to purchase a rebuilt single point distributor, or rebuild the bushings in your original point set-up, so if you convert to the Pertronix, you don't destroy the Hallcell by having sloppy tolerances,.......with the Pertronix, there's only one extra wire leaving the distributor, going to the coil, other than that everything fits under the stock cap,.....use the recommended coil (Flame thrower) as the ohm rating is different, the stock coil will cause the Hallcell to eventually malfuction,....do not use solidcore race wires with the system either, as this will damage the Hallcell,....if you want a problem free system, requiring minimal maintenance, better starting, no high RPM break up, no more carbon tracking in the cap, and be able to fire Platnium plugs, that most people with the MP electronic system say they can't without fouling them.....go Pertronix,....I've converted all my cars/trucks/toys to Pertronix, NEVER had a failure since (over 5 yrs) or any ignition related issuses,.....I could never say that with stock point(s), electronic, MP electronic, or MSD/Accel systems.............I know this thread will start a bunch of this or that is crap, or better....but IMHO, what I'm giving you is the Pertronix is the way to go,....I played for 30 years with all the offerings out there, the Pertronix is the only thing I found that does the job,.......but if you cut corners putting the system in, you'll have grief, just like with anything else,....plus side of the install, you can return the car back to your original set-up with nothing more than some handtools, as the system requires no rewiring, the Hallcell screws onto the stock point plate, no drilling, no cutting, you remove your stock points/condenor and ground wire, the Hallcell has 2 wires that go to the coil, black to - Red to +, you take the 2 ballast wires, and join them with a double ended push on, set the airgap of the hall cell with a .030 airgap, a feeler gauge is supplied (plastic, don't use any metal)recheck the timing as the installation usually "knocks" 5-10 degrees off the timing, because of the Hallcell phasing (something most people don't check, causing grief)........so simple a caveman can do it  Your Choice?
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Re: Changing 69 R/T to elect. ignition?
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Pertronix......Ignitor II, Pertronix Flame thrower coil, Pertronix Plugwire set stock and custom available.....everythings available from Summit.......you could order all the above for under $200.........
You can eliminate the ballast resistor from the wiring system,.....and if you prefer you can leave it in place(non-functional) for "cosmetics", if your worried about an original appearance under hood,......my recommendation is to purchase a rebuilt single point distributor, or rebuild the bushings in your original point set-up, so if you convert to the Pertronix, you don't destroy the Hallcell by having sloppy tolerances,.......with the Pertronix, there's only one extra wire leaving the distributor, going to the coil, other than that everything fits under the stock cap,.....use the recommended coil (Flame thrower) as the ohm rating is different, the stock coil will cause the Hallcell to eventually malfuction,....do not use solidcore race wires with the system either, as this will damage the Hallcell,....if you want a problem free system, requiring minimal maintenance, better starting, no high RPM break up, no more carbon tracking in the cap, and be able to fire Platnium plugs, that most people with the MP electronic system say they can't without fouling them.....go Pertronix,....I've converted all my cars/trucks/toys to Pertronix, NEVER had a failure since (over 5 yrs) or any ignition related issuses,.....I could never say that with stock point(s), electronic, MP electronic, or MSD/Accel systems.............I know this thread will start a bunch of this or that is crap, or better....but IMHO, what I'm giving you is the Pertronix is the way to go,....I played for 30 years with all the offerings out there, the Pertronix is the only thing I found that does the job,.......but if you cut corners putting the system in, you'll have grief, just like with anything else,....plus side of the install, you can return the car back to your original set-up with nothing more than some handtools, as the system requires no rewiring, the Hallcell screws onto the stock point plate, no drilling, no cutting, you remove your stock points/condenor and ground wire, the Hallcell has 2 wires that go to the coil, black to - Red to +, you take the 2 ballast wires, and join them with a double ended push on, set the airgap of the hall cell with a .030 airgap, a feeler gauge is supplied (plastic, don't use any metal)recheck the timing as the installation usually "knocks" 5-10 degrees off the timing, because of the Hallcell phasing (something most people don't check, causing grief)........so simple a caveman can do it
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WOW!! You used a lot of big words there Mike!!
I will certainly look into going that route!! Now this is not the full billet plug and play setup?
Is there something to pull out of my dist. and put something back in to it?
This is all foriegn to me!!
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Re: Changing 69 R/T to elect. ignition?
[Re: wkroncke17]
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Wally,
This is not the plug and play billet distrbutor, the Pertronix ignitor II kit is a plate, rotor, and Hallcell assy, that screws down on top of your exsisting stock point type distributor plate, were your point(s) and condesor once resided,....the Flame thrower coil is stock in appearance, your choice chrome or black,.....their are multible Flame thrower coils, and Ignitor I and Ignitor II conversion kits available for different years and styles of Chrysler and Accel distributors,.....if you have a Summit catalog you can locate the conversion kit that best suits your needs?
What type of distributor is currently present in your 69 R/T?
Mike
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Re: Changing 69 R/T to elect. ignition?
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Wally,
This is not the plug and play billet distrbutor, the Pertronix ignitor II kit is a plate, rotor, and Hallcell assy, that screws down on top of your exsisting stock point type distributor plate, were your point(s) and condesor once resided,....the Flame thrower coil is stock in appearance, your choice chrome or black,.....their are multible Flame thrower coils, and Ignitor I and Ignitor II conversion kits available for different years and styles of Chrysler and Accel distributors,.....if you have a Summit catalog you can locate the conversion kit that best suits your needs?
What type of distributor is currently present in your 69 R/T?
Mike
Mike,
I have the stock single point vacuum advance distributor on the car now. I kind of understand what you are describing, but cant find them in the Summit online catolog??
This sounds like a great option.....so there would be no ECU box at all with this stup?
Wally.
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Re: Changing 69 R/T to elect. ignition?
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One other point that I don't think was addressed yet is that the stock mechanical type voltage regulators are not compatible with electronic ignition systems and you must upgrade the voltage regulator to either; the '70 & up type voltage regulator which is solid state (this requires you to also get a harness for the '70 & up style regulator), or you need to obtain an aftermarket solid state voltage regulator or if you want a stock appearing voltage regulator you need to buy the stock appearing voltage regulator with solid state internals. I happen to sell the stock appearing solid state voltage regulators ($25 shipped to your door in the U.S.) as does another MOPAR member (RandyJ - browse the parts for sale postings for his post). The only thing to keep in mind is that the stock appearing solid state voltage regulators are designed for stock alternators and have a maximum alternator output rating of 65 amps.
As for changing over to an electronic ignition, if your engine is stock or fairly stock, you can buy the MOPAR Performance harness, a rebuilt electronic distributor for a '73 440 and a stock replacement ignition module (I sell both 4-pin and 5-pin modules - $15 + shipping) and build your own kit. I'm not posting to make any sales, just to cover a point not addressed yet and to give you another option. I am going to try to post a wiring diagram for a 5-pin ignition module set up and a 4-pin ballast resister but if it does not take, just send me an email for the diagram.
Lastly, I had a pertronix kit in my '66 300 with a 383-4V for a number of years and was very happy with it and it was trouble free for me and for the current owner of the car.
Good luck.
Bill
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Re: Changing 69 R/T to elect. ignition?
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I ran a standard voltage regulator in my car with Mopar electronic ignition for over 20 years and never had a problem. When I repainted my engine compartment I went with a Mallory Unilite distributor because I didn't want an ignition box mounted in the engine compartment. Here is a big block one at Summit: http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail...mp;autoview=sku
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Re: Changing 69 R/T to elect. ignition?
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What type of distributor is currently present in your 69 R/T? Mike
Mike,
I have the stock single point vacuum advance distributor on the car now. I kind of understand what you are describing, but cant find them in the Summit online catolog??
This sounds like a great option.....so there would be no ECU box at all with this stup?
Wally.
Walley,.....there's no ECU box to worry about, everything fits under the stock distributor cap, if you can change your [points and condensor, you can install this kit,.....very easy,
The Pertronix kit # for your application is # PNX-91381A list $109 dollars Summit Price
The Pertronix Flame Thrower II coil is stock looking in appearance, fits the stock coil bracket ....for the black coil # PNX-45011, $33 dollars ......if you prefer chrome the # is PNX 45001 $41 dollars.....Summit prices
If you want Pertronix plug wires?...stock looking black for 383/440 the # is PNX 708107 $45 dollars....Summit price
Walley I'd recommend purchasing a rebuilt SINGLE point vacumm advance distributor for your car, from Autozone, NAPA, Carquest, etc, about $50....and converting that, then just replace your entire distributor when your ready,......if you never pulled a BigBlock distributor, it's very easy, it can only go in two ways because of the slotted end, the correct way, or the wrong way 180 degrees off, just make a note of which way/direction the rotor is pointing when you pull your original, DO NOT TURN OVER the engine, you will lose your timing,.......just install the converted distributor, like you removed your original, and set timing to what you normally run....
So for $240 bucks you can have a rebuilt dist, new coil, new wires, and electronic ignition,......should go the whole route new cap and plugs,...a rotor is supplied with the kit,.........and Walley if you decide to go this route, when you open you kit, DO NOT remove the green or red "tape" from the HallCell, this is a magnetic band, some people tear it off, thinking it's shipping tape  .....read all the instructions before you start,.....it's a very user friendly install......Good Luck!
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Re: Changing 69 R/T to elect. ignition?
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What type of distributor is currently present in your 69 R/T?
Mike
Mike,
I have the stock single point vacuum advance distributor on the car now. I kind of understand what you are describing, but cant find them in the Summit online catolog??
This sounds like a great option.....so there would be no ECU box at all with this stup?
Wally.
Walley,.....there's no ECU box to worry about, everything fits under the stock distributor cap, if you can change your [points and condensor, you can install this kit,.....very easy,
The Pertronix kit # for your application is # PNX-91381A list $109 dollars Summit Price
The Pertronix Flame Thrower II coil is stock looking in appearance, fits the stock coil bracket ....for the black coil # PNX-45011, $33 dollars ......if you prefer chrome the # is PNX 45001 $41 dollars.....Summit prices
If you want Pertronix plug wires?...stock looking black for 383/440 the # is PNX 708107 $45 dollars....Summit price
Walley I'd recommend purchasing a rebuilt SINGLE point vacumm advance distributor for your car, from Autozone, NAPA, Carquest, etc, about $50....and converting that, then just replace your entire distributor when your ready,......if you never pulled a BigBlock distributor, it's very easy, it can only go in two ways because of the slotted end, the correct way, or the wrong way 180 degrees off, just make a note of which way/direction the rotor is pointing when you pull your original, DO NOT TURN OVER the engine, you will lose your timing,.......just install the converted distributor, like you removed your original, and set timing to what you normally run....
So for $240 bucks you can have a rebuilt dist, new coil, new wires, and electronic ignition,......should go the whole route new cap and plugs,...a rotor is supplied with the kit,.........and Walley if you decide to go this route, when you open you kit, DO NOT remove the green or red "tape" from the HallCell, this is a magnetic band, some people tear it off, thinking it's shipping tape .....read all the instructions before you start,.....it's a very user friendly install......Good Luck!
Mike,
Thanks a ton for the info!!! Part #'s, prices and all!!! 
Advance sells a (Cardone) dist for $38. I assume that will work ok? (seems kinda cheap?)
Believe it or not, this is the first big block that Ive worked on! I made sure to pull the dist and not move it, or turn over the engine.
What about the voltage regulator....will stock be ok?
I like the looks of this pertronix deal, and am pretty sure thats the route Im gonna go.
Thanks again!!!
Wally.
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Re: Changing 69 R/T to elect. ignition?
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Wally the stock mechanical voltage reg is fine with the Pertronix,......although regardless of the ignition you chose, even if you stay with the points, there is an electronic replacement that you could update to, plug and play, no electrical surgery required, and it looks close to stock in appearance, it's available at AutoZone......I can't recall the part number at this time, perhaps someone else might chime in with it?.....if not I'll look it up tommorrow
If you decide to go Pertronix, you have 2 choices with the ballast resistor, use it or lose it,.....I'd recommend you lose it, this way you have a true 12 volts supplied to the HallCell, and you eliminate a wink link in the ignition system
Mike G
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Re: Changing 69 R/T to elect. ignition?
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THe Petronix stuff is great. Do run the coil they sell as well. They now have an under the cap MSD type deal as well. I have yet to run one of those.
I'm not a fan of the Petronix plug wires though. While they may look correct, they have loose ends. I would look at Firecores. Everybody seems to love them, only down side is they seem to be 100 bucks or more. You get what you pay for.
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