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Re: Strange rivets II [Re: 5thAve] #3126297
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Originally Posted by 5thAve
So what do the back of those rivets actually look like? Even without the special VIN rivets you'd think that if it wasn't installed with the car running down a normal assembly line they'd have at least used normal pop rivets unless the VIN was going on at a time that they couldn't easily get a riveter in there and the furniture tack looking ones was the best way someone came up with to install it.

It's an interesting car none the less and at least when you've owned it as long as you have it makes things easier to at least track how long things have been a certain way rather then someone buying it now and not knowing what's happened in the last 64 years with it.



Poster said he was getting some outside verification of what he has. Not sure who that would be.

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Originally Posted by A12
Originally Posted by 5thAve
It's an interesting car none the less and at least when you've owned it as long as you have it makes things easier to at least track how long things have been a certain way rather then someone buying it now and not knowing what's happened in the last 64 years with it.


Agree but that would be the last fifty-four (54) years...........had to count on my fingers to make sure I didn't age another ten years since I bought my first car in '69, a '69 Road Runner too. laugh2

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I was taken a-back momentarily as I read that too. shock

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See I counted on my fingers too and still screwed that up runaway

I mean I did that on purpose to see who was paying attention hop

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Re: Strange rivets II [Re: 5thAve] #3126343
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Originally Posted by 5thAve
See I counted on my fingers too and still screwed that up runaway

I mean I did that on purpose to see who was paying attention hop


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Re: Strange rivets II [Re: NITROUSN] #3126368
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Okay, I talked with Dave Wise with MMC Detroit and he will come see me at his convenience, since a day trip from him to my house is not possible now.

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Ever put a magnet to the rivets to see if they are steel?

(20,426) btw wink

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Originally Posted by robertop
Okay, I talked with Dave Wise with MMC Detroit and he will come see me at his convenience, since a day trip from him to my house is not possible now.


Good choice. up


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Oh, the build sheet. I forgot about that. Hera is what was under the front bench seat. Enjoy!

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Originally Posted by robertop
Oh, the build sheet. I forgot about that. Hera is what was under the front bench seat. Enjoy!



If you were so sure of what you have you would not be fishing here looking for nut huggers. I remember a Ripley guy here like that years ago. Until you post the proof no one knows not even you. till then its.

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as if this place did not have enough naysayers of odd stuff.
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Perhaps Dave can check date codes and such of the plastic and other non wear parts.
I zoomed into the pic of the rosette (your first pic) and is sure appears there was some scuffing under it.Ever check the diameter of the existing pin and scuff circumference.
I read you (can't recall exact word) replaced with the rivets removed.
A careful look at pic and you may see what I'm seeing.
Rises the thought tag r&r prior to your ownership. I can't see that type of "stud or nail" having a typical expanded fitment. What is the diameter of the pin part? and how was it attached?
Has the windshield been r&r (date code and rubber seal checked).
I have heard of cars destroyed by Chrysler after their intended purpose (fact? fiction?). I wonder if there is the chance some corporate had a hand in the creation after press use and prior to your ownership?
Anyone know if press cars were assigned vin?

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Galen is one that likely could shed some light on the build since really is a B Body person. There are others that I know might be able to share some information about early built B Bodies. I try to contact a few of them to see what they know.


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Galen Govier has[u][/u] known about my car many years ago, even if I never contacted him personally. I was in Brazelton, Ga. at a Year One meeting and he asked me if my rr was blue and was there, so I answered him yes and no. He gave me a small fluorescent green pen that I still have. I never asked how he knew that.

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About those blessed rivets, here is what I did. After disassembling the body before painting, I could seethe back of a the rivets I wanted to remove. They looked like what a normal rivet would look. just a hole in the center with a cringlet of bent-over metal around. Sanding that with a Dremel’ was easy andI removed them. To reinstall them, I soldered a short piece of copper rod to the ends, put them back and J-B welded them to the back qagain. I evidently did not put them exactly at the same angle with respect to the tag, and that is probably why you can see amall scratches around the heads. My bad! As far as the windshield, I don’t remember if the painter ever removed it, but I doubt it. The gasket is original. The windshield still has a 1982 Georgia inspection sticker.

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Originally Posted by robertop
Galen Govier has[u][/u] known about my car many years ago, even if I never contacted him personally. I was in Brazelton, Ga. at a Year One meeting and he asked me if my rr was blue and was there, so I answered him yes and no. He gave me a small fluorescent green pen that I still have. I never asked how he knew that.


Well if Galen already knows your car as well as yourself why are you not getting his evaluation as to your cars pedigree.

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Here is the confusing part to me. Is this a game? You could of explained the rivets from the first posting. You seem to know all about the car already so whats the end game here? Is it time to sell the car and now draw attention? Looking for backup validation?

Obviously its a rare car and very cool but at least to me how all the info is posted and questions asked with already known answers makes this rings more like "Lets see what the dumb smucks know" when you already know or have the answers to your questions.

Its great of you to share your car with us here but it all seems very odd the way your going about it.

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Originally Posted by robertop
About those blessed rivets, here is what I did. After disassembling the body before painting, I could seethe back of a the rivets I wanted to remove. They looked like what a normal rivet would look. just a hole in the center with a cringlet of bent-over metal around. Sanding that with a Dremel’ was easy andI removed them. To reinstall them, I soldered a short piece of copper rod to the ends, put them back and J-B welded them to the back qagain. I evidently did not put them exactly at the same angle with respect to the tag, and that is probably why you can see amall scratches around the heads. My bad! As far as the windshield, I don’t remember if the painter ever removed it, but I doubt it. The gasket is original. The windshield still has a 1982 Georgia inspection sticker.


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I kept from posting what I thought about this expedition as it seemed pointless to encourage it. Since the owner seems to want to play with the crowd, now I’ll say that car likely has been rebuilt after a front end wreck. Explains a whole lot about that car if you view it that way. How it was done is the most intriguing part.


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I have seen some very nasty remarks about GG on this website for years. Nothing against him as far as I am concerned .I don’t need to have my car authenticated to make me feel better, I could have done it before. My car was finished 10 years ago, meanwhile my auto interests have changed somewhat from 1970. Since 1982 I have bought 4 (horror!) corvettes and my car, still my baby, has become more important than I ever expected, since the painter himself noticed all the major oddities. My main reason for these posts was to have Mopar experts give an idea of the car value, but I have absolutely no intention to sell it. By the way, don’t call me normal, I consider it an insult. Truly.

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Originally Posted by SomeCarGuy
I kept from posting what I thought about this expedition as it seemed pointless to encourage it. Since the owner seems to want to play with the crowd, now I’ll say that car likely has been rebuilt after a front end wreck. Explains a whole lot about that car if you view it that way. How it was done is the most intriguing part.

It's tough to tell anything about the car without more info.
I find it difficult to imagine welding anything to the back of a little rosette, but that is me.
The op has owned the car going on 53 years and sounds to have done little save for "restore" 10 years ago.
A lot may still be present to put together what happened early on and certainly a car such as this hopefully had any work or replacement of parts memorialized during the "resto".
Hopefully Dave will help Robertop understand what he has and the info is recorded.. Car will likely be around after a lot of us are not involved.
re: the value, it's going to be what a buyer and seller agree on. Lacking selling best you can do is get an insurance appraisal.
Numbers, and date codes on the car will help. The more replaced over the years perhaps less.
I feel posting old pic and half a unique vin tag and the build sheet does not do much. Nearby experts can help verify.

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Originally Posted by robertop
I have seen some very nasty remarks about GG on this website for years. Nothing against him as far as I am concerned .I don’t need to have my car authenticated to make me feel better, I could have done it before. My car was finished 10 years ago, meanwhile my auto interests have changed somewhat from 1970. Since 1982 I have bought 4 (horror!) corvettes and my car, still my baby, has become more important than I ever expected, since the painter himself noticed all the major oddities. My main reason for these posts was to have Mopar experts give an idea of the car value, but I have absolutely no intention to sell it. By the way, don’t call me normal, I consider it an insult. Truly.


Play your games at a day care for senile seniors. Your car is unique and is not documented so no one will give a price. You want to know you need to have a trusted source see it and note its validity. Myself this car had a bad young history and I will bet an inspection will prove it.

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My last thoughts at this time based on the vague info and unique story. If galen knows the car, it's likely in a registry. OP never said if he has the car in a registry, nor if he belonged to nhoa or any other group where the vin was registered.

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