Re: Have a question when buying a used car from a private seller
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No exact formula that I know of. Trade-ins - if not wholesaled off - have recon expense & profit margin to add for the Used lot. So trade-in value depends on desirability, condition & mileage like a private sale, + expenses, = usually some lesser #. Advantage to dealer is financing, for those who need it, and they'll pay up front via higher purchase price for that convenience. I've never had any free dealership warranty on a used car, but I've bought only a couple from dealers, last time around 2004.
FWIW, I've seen cheap body repairs on used cars that made me want to puke.
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Re: Have a question when buying a used car from a private seller
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The guides have the trad in value, then the private value, then the dealer mark up retail price. That gives you roughly the info you are wanting to know right there. Any “free” warranty is built into the dealer profit reflected in the spread you’ll see in those numbers.
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Re: Have a question when buying a used car from a private seller
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All evaluations (no matter the source) are guides and nothing more. They all have different scales to apply for their guides. And not all the evaluation guides agree on a given vehicle.
In other words, there is no one magic number for a used vehicle whether private party or dealer. Some folks will only buy from an owner, while some folks will only deal with a dealer; financing, insurance, 100 point check, warranty, etc......
And right now, used are coming down at a noticeable clip. The market is adjusting. Some guides have a value tracker so that you can see how your particular vehicle is trending. That would be particularly helpful right now. That is, if you can wait.
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Re: Have a question when buying a used car from a private seller
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Unfortunately, as I've learned as of late KBB and NADA is merely only a suggestion at values with regards to private sells. Some people will still go off of it but, the prices will also vary upon the location as well dependent on what type of vehicle it is. The unfortunate reality in this current market is that if you're not willing to pay full KBB and dependent upon location then someone else probably will and will pay more than what the loan value is in on a vehicle as well.
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Re: Have a question when buying a used car from a private seller
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Depends on the deal, the dealer and how much they're soaking you for the new car.
When my buddy was still in his store, I told him - just tell me the difference. Make both numbers as low as you can so I don't have to pay all that sales tax. Knock enough off the new truck and I'll give you mine.
Didn't quite go there, but we both got a deal.
Used car market is screwy right now. I hear the bottom is falling out after being sky high for so long. Except for trucks.
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Re: Have a question when buying a used car from a private seller
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anymore, most individuals will ask [sometimes way] more than they can get for a trade in, especially if the vehicle is a desirable model. and has been already said, location [location, location] is also a determining factor on price. sometimes, people will ask a [somewhat] lower price just to avoid the [perceived] hassle of trading in a vehicle at a dealer. once again, this can be the location. in other words, individual lives several states away and would rather fly in and drive home instead of driving [sometimes many] hundreds of miles with a trade in. just my opinion and experience buying and selling vehicles over the years. i don't do much of that these days, in fact, i haven't sold a car in years, although i may have one on the radar now. it's a [roughly] 500 mile distance from me, but can't be driven because a dead center deer hit took out the radiator. i believe i can repair the damage very easily, then ask a below book price and sell it quickly. The car belongs to my sister, and my brother in law was driving to work one morning when this happened. the insurance company paid the claim but didn't want the car and told her to keep it, so it has a good title. it has been sitting in their one garage since the accident, so it hasn't gone downhill since. i have been thinking of contacting rhinodart to see if he could possibly be in the neighborhood to pick this up and deliver it to me. however, i'm afraid to cost him another transmission..............
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Re: Have a question when buying a used car from a private seller
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Depends on the deal, the dealer and how much they're soaking you for the new car.
When my buddy was still in his store, I told him - just tell me the difference. Make both numbers as low as you can so I don't have to pay all that sales tax. Knock enough off the new truck and I'll give you mine.
Didn't quite go there, but we both got a deal.
Used car market is screwy right now. I hear the bottom is falling out after being sky high for so long. Except for trucks. 'Bottom falling out' might be a bit too strong to describe what is happening right now, but vehicles are declining. And, of course, the decline is not evenly spread across all brands and models. Most trucks are sliding some, too.
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Re: Have a question when buying a used car from a private seller
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Look at the auctions going on right now, there is no sanity in any used vehicle market at the moment, throw all the guides out of the window, even the NADA style guides, reality went out the window over 2 years ago. The only thing I know right now is that both parties need to be happy... I wouldn't be too quick to ' throw all the guides out of the window'. While you may not put much credence in them, banks, credit unions, and insurance companies still do. It's all they have. And many (maybe most) folks will need one or more of them during their time with the vehicle. Like so many things, the auto industry is going through some significant changes. Not every entity will survive. But with any chaos, comes opportunity. And as such there are many entities that are in fact, thriving. And probably all of them are using, at least to some extent, the evaluation guides. And for the most part, what have been referred to here are the 'retail' or 'consumer' guides. But the most reliable guide for wholesale information on vehicles is the Manheim Market Report. We always refer to it before any purchase.
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Re: Have a question when buying a used car from a private seller
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Not sure about other states but in Arizona you pay sales tax on the difference between the price of the new car and the trade in amount. So if you sell your car outright for what the dealer offers you lose money. Here in wonderful Michigan, every time a vehicle gets sold, no matter how many times, we get nailed for the full sales price.
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Re: Have a question when buying a used car from a private seller
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It is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it Limited market for those cars, especially in today's market: work: What shape and amount of miles on it now?
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Re: Have a question when buying a used car from a private seller
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Lots of used hellcats for sale, find one that was garaged and babied as a lot are the exact opposite of that, raced, thrashed, donuts, winter driven, cheesy aftermarket wide body kits etc.
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Re: Have a question when buying a used car from a private seller
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Look at the auctions going on right now, there is no sanity in any used vehicle market at the moment, throw all the guides out of the window, even the NADA style guides, reality went out the window over 2 years ago. The only thing I know right now is that both parties need to be happy... Exactly! The books are all a guide, not a Bible. And as a dealer, I have yet to see any softening of prices since Covid hit. There is less selection of used cars, and the nice ones do all the money. I tell people all the time, if the price I pay to advertise a unit isn’t good/ competitive , you wouldn’t be here. Cars would sit around and rot, nobody comes, nobody calls. I see stuff all the time that approaches and or exceeds retail, at dealer auctions. Then you have auction fees and transportation and servicing on top of that.. We have had a hard time keeping as much inventory on hand as we have in times past. It’s just hard to find stuff that leaves enough meat on the bone to where everybody wins..
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Re: Have a question when buying a used car from a private seller
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2 weeks ago a lady that works with my wife was offered. 4K trade in at dealer she got her new car at. Carmax gave her 6K, and her husband said private seller buyer would be 8K if cars,was 100 percent and it had some stuff that needed addressed s. I guess Carmax was,spot on.bet they put it at 8-8500 on the lot and fix a few small things
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Re: Have a question when buying a used car from a private seller
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Fires at 3 large “chip” factories overseas really screwed up both the new, then used vehicle USA markets.
Cavanna failure latest victim, but there will be others.
Change in subsidies for new EVs based on where lithium. battery factories are, and what countries supply basic materials latest multi billion $ worldwide issue.
Is it really a good business practice for any road vehicle to get some taxpayer subsidy?
Cash for Clunkers and deliberately freezing up a running engine.
Present day laws make Cash/Clunkers look like loose pocket change
But the deepest hidden $ issue is: What MPG would current vehicles get if emissions laws did not exist?
Another deeply hidden issue: what would the tailpipe emissions be of a vehicle engineered for maximum fuel economy only?
If NOX standards disappeared overnight so would EGR systems, A/F ratio at cruise would probably go lean a couple points and compression ratio would go up at least a point on almost every engine and some would go up 2 points or more and would all probably result in at least 10% MPG jump and probably more likely 15%. CO, CO2 and HCs all tend to go down when efficiency goes up but cats would be ditched and so the actual tailpipe emissions would go up even with less of them coming out of the engine itself. I don't think modern cats cause enough flow restriction to make much difference in performance or MPG but they don't like running lean so they would have to go in an all out MPG search.
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