Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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Yeah, the roof lines still have too much of the Satellite that it began as.
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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Saw that on my Hemmings feed; it'll be interesting to see what it brings, but it's really gonna take the right situation to bring big money, I think.
The windows have always bugged me - the side glass being much taller than the windshield - and given the amount of effort expended everywhere else, I'm still surprised they did that. Of course, it's easy to be a Monday Quarterback, but given the high bar Walden set everywhere else, that's still a mystery to me. They didnt turn a barracuda into a 4dr, they used a 4dr 72 coronet and grafted cuda front and rear onto it. Thats why it doesnt look right
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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The term "Steaming Dung Pile" comes to mind. I am being generous.
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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I’ll guess it brings about $150k. Dave had about $350K in this build....no idea what Gary payed for it, but will be interesting to see what it brings
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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[align:center][/align] its got a roof line like herman munsters head EXACTLY...EXCELLENT analogy.
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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10/21/22 05:58 PM
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[align:center][/align] its got a roof line like herman munsters head EXACTLY...EXCELLENT analogy. With no rear seat passenger headroom, should have made it a Cuda Sportwagon, or better yet left it alone, fugly IMO What could be uglier.............oh a 4-door Mustang
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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10/21/22 10:15 PM
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Reminds me of the Super Guppy...
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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10/22/22 12:06 AM
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From the build notes.......... Look at the 1972 Road Runner and/or Sebring and you will see the lower windshield configuration in the design of that Factory 2 door vehicle. Our 4 door Barracuda appearance is almost identical.
With all due respect, its not identical, almost or otherwise. I can more than appreciate the work that went into this, but as so many others have said, the side glass ruins it.
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I’ll guess it brings about $150k. Dave had about $350K in this build....no idea what Gary payed for it, but will be interesting to see what it brings ' No, the number was closer to $600,000.
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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From the build notes.......... Look at the 1972 Road Runner and/or Sebring and you will see the lower windshield configuration in the design of that Factory 2 door vehicle. Our 4 door Barracuda appearance is almost identical.
With all due respect, its not identical, almost or otherwise. I can more than appreciate the work that went into this, but as so many others have said, the side glass ruins it. Duly noted, but why not use a 4-door Coronet rather than a 2-door fuselage B-Body?
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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Doesn't display ANY attractive traits of the 2 door Barracuda. Four door Malibu, Nova, Satellite, Lemans Skylark etc had the good looks of their 2 door brethren. Looks like a home made taxi cab in Cuba.
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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All this brings me to think about the MOD TOP CUDA.
Is it sitting in some ultra wealthy art-ish collectors private compound weather here in the USA, Europe or some Arab State?
Many odd people in this world with loads of money that want the one thing others cant have with little re guard to societies rules that most of us live by.
This thing is fugly but one of a kind and done well and I agree the selling price might shock us all. A lot of collectable "Art" is not attractive but sure has value.
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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Just remember, if the superbird or Daytona was never made and 50 yrs later someone made "the car Mopar should have made to win NASCAR", I'd venture to say folks would have laughed at the attempt.
I don't think it looks bad when you compare it to 4 door versions of other cars like a 70 b bodies. The rear roof line is actually pretty similar, so I'd think you would have seen some consistency across the different models.
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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10/23/22 01:57 PM
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While I wholly appreciate everything that went into this build, too much of it just doesn't work. I can think of a couple other one-of-nones that could have been built, that would have been way cooler. A four door 71 Satellite Sebring Plus with buckets, console, rally dash, and a 340 auto would have been pretty skookum. While not a 4dr, you get the idea......
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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Pretty obvious that incline on the rear quarter body line that makes the Cuda so attractive killed any chance of a decent mo door car.
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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The guy had a vision, albeit one that only he shared. He spent years and a small fortune bringing it to fruition only to pass away two years later. Sad as the car is hideous. I would have rather spent that time with my family and dogs (not necessarily in that order ) rather than creating an abomination.
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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If I had the money, I'd buy it and turn it into a 2 door. I’d part it out...😀
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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is this the worlds most expensive parts car? Yes
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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I just threw up in my mouth a little ... Sadly they dropped the ball when it came to the roof line, the rendering that gave him the idea looks more like a car Chrysler would of built. I guess this makes me a hater
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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Worse than the roof is the imaginary VIN & all the fake documentation made for the car. FALSE. To some "elite snob", this may be a popular opinion. It was a fantasy so why not go full tilt with that theme? It was HIS vision, his FANTASY and whatever story he tied to it for the sake of supporting the fantasy , it wasn't meant to be accepted as an original.
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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Worse than the roof is the imaginary VIN & all the fake documentation made for the car. FALSE. To some "elite snob", this may be a popular opinion. It was a fantasy so why not go full tilt with that theme? It was HIS vision, his FANTASY and whatever story he tied to it for the sake of supporting the fantasy , it wasn't meant to be accepted as an original. If somebody asked me that between Barry and Dave Walden which one was the “elite snob” the answer would be obvious. And both of those individuals have done more for the Mopar hobby than you or I will ever do.
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Worse than the roof is the imaginary VIN & all the fake documentation made for the car. FALSE. To some "elite snob", this may be a popular opinion. It was a fantasy so why not go full tilt with that theme? It was HIS vision, his FANTASY and whatever story he tied to it for the sake of supporting the fantasy , it wasn't meant to be accepted as an original. OH! So I guess by owning 3 original 1970 4-doors, A, B & C bodies that all have real documentation somehow makes me an 'elite snob'?
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Talked with Mr. Walden during and just after the car's build. To say that he was committed to bringing this one to life was an understatement. "Hell-bent" is more like it. I didn't feel like I was talking with a gearhead, more like an artist. I agree, visually the car is off to me. But you have to admit that he went full-kill in bringing the car to life. WHY? Please keep in mind that he had brain cancer? It affected him.
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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while I agree there are things about the overall look of the car that does not fit. I as someone who handles body and paint daily I have the most respect for the build as a whole. The skills to bring it to life be it correct looking or not are mad skills. To build it and have it look like it should have rolled off the transport in 1970 is impressive. Having watched his other builds and seeing what he brought to the hobby was second to none. He had a passion for making things as correct as he could possibily do. If they failed he set out to correct that failure. With this car I can only imagine had he not passed away that HE would have tried to out do this car or even maybe correct the issues that people pointed out. May he rest in peace. corey
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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[ What roof did he use and why? The drip rail moldings are so much higher than the windshield moldings, and the side windows are way to big Its not proportioned correctly.
Dart500 mentioned it in this very same post earlier......
They didnt turn a barracuda into a 4dr, they used a 4dr 72 coronet and grafted cuda front and rear onto it. Thats why it doesnt look right
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Personally, I don’t believe there was ever any proposal to build a 4-door E-body. If you look at John Herlitz’s clay models during 1967 & 1968, he was designing a 2-door from the start. By December of 1967, the clay model was close to the final design: https://www.johnherlitz.org/e-body_barracuda.html
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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JMHO, a 4 door, especially a sedan (door posts) pony car would have been a HUGE sales flop and hurt the two door sales. At that time sporty & performance were not synchronous with 4 doors.
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JMHO, a 4 door, especially a sedan (door posts) pony car would have been a HUGE sales flop and hurt the two door sales. At that time sporty & performance were not synchronous with 4 doors. What about all those 4 door Mustangs and Camaros from back then, oh wait... Sorry, it was just a dumb idea all around.
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Personally, I don’t believe there was ever any proposal to build a 4-door E-body. If you look at John Herlitz’s clay models during 1967 & 1968, he was designing a 2-door from the start. By December of 1967, the clay model was close to the final design: https://www.johnherlitz.org/e-body_barracuda.html the last pictures appear to be actual cars. Curious if those cars exist or were crushed? Anyone know?
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Talked with Mr. Walden during and just after the car's build. To say that he was committed to bringing this one to life was an understatement. "Hell-bent" is more like it. I didn't feel like I was talking with a gearhead, more like an artist. I agree, visually the car is off to me. But you have to admit that he went full-kill in bringing the car to life. WHY? Please keep in mind that he had brain cancer? It affected him. And I suppose his family or friends had no say in what he was spending hugh money on. Then he should have donated all that money to cancer research.
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Talked with Mr. Walden during and just after the car's build. To say that he was committed to bringing this one to life was an understatement. "Hell-bent" is more like it. I didn't feel like I was talking with a gearhead, more like an artist. I agree, visually the car is off to me. But you have to admit that he went full-kill in bringing the car to life. WHY? Please keep in mind that he had brain cancer? It affected him. And I suppose his family or friends had no say in what he was spending hugh money on. Then he should have donated all that money to cancer research. If you know any of the back story, it was Dave Walden's wife (a nurse from what I was told) that told Steven Juliano that he needed to be checked out for pancreatic cancer as she saw the signs in him which led to his diagnosis. I'm sure that Dave knew the end was coming, but not all cancer is treatable. Dave spent his money on whatever pleased him. What's wrong with that? Personally, he had issues with anger to put it nicely..
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I was $40,000 high…it just sold for $110,000. Reports of a small earthquake measured at Dave Walden’s gravesite. I read somewhere that he had over $600.000 in the build. I don't know how that is possible.
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Personally, he had issues with anger to put it nicely.. He started a thread about the car on Yellowbullet and had a major meltdown when the mainly GM and Ford fans didn't love his creation.
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The car is hideous,I can't believe it even brought that much money.
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[align:center][/align] its got a roof line like herman munsters head EXACTLY...EXCELLENT analogy. With no rear seat passenger headroom, should have made it a Cuda Sportwagon, or better yet left it alone, fugly IMO What could be uglier.............oh a 4-door Mustang What almost was:
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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I was $40,000 high…it just sold for $110,000. Reports of a small earthquake measured at Dave Walden’s gravesite. I read somewhere that he had over $600.000 in the build. I don't know how that is possible. Tooling for custom made parts isn't cheap.
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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I called it the top hat Barracuda,and Dave was pissed at me! Maybe the new owner can use it to drive the Pope around in! Maybe Worman bought it,he raved on and on about how great he thought the car was on his show! The roof isn't high enough for his head to fit in it! Lol!
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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Man, some of you guys are harsh. After reading some of the sanctimonious comments in this thread, you'd think that he was spending your money and making you do the work on it... The man had a vision and he managed to follow it through before he passed. Have some respect for that. Many of us will likely leave our families with a bunch of cars and car stuff that our families will have to deal with later... it's not uncommon. And our families will likely only get a fraction out of it from what we spent on the junk - I've seen some cases where it all just went to the scrap yard. A life's worth of collecting, all scrap metal to go into the next electric Hyundai... think about it. Regardless... on the topic of the 4-door Barracuda itself, I'm sure the idea was tossed around at the product planning/styling dept. brainstorming sessions, even if it never made it to clay. Ford and GM were considering it, why wouldn't the Chrysler Corp.? If I were brainstorming this project, I would have aimed the marketing at somebody who really wanted a sporty car like a Barracuda, and not a tall frumpy looking sedan (otherwise they could just have bought a Satellite and called it a day). The concept drawing that was floating around at the time of a 4 door hardtop with low roofline seemed like a more likely candidate, rather than where Dave ended up going. Just my opinion, but the end result looked like what might have happened if the engineers won their argument over the styling department, and upper management insisted on more headroom for back seat passengers (and perhaps better structural integrity as offered by a sedan vs a hardtop). Here's the drawing that was floating around (which I thought would more likely have been what Chrysler would have pursued): For me, it was interesting. I followed the build online and was amazed at the workmanship and attention to detail that was put into it... even if I didn't really like the final result aesthetically. It only adds to the hobby as far as I'm concerned, and I really have no time for anyone who wants to cut a guy down (especially after he's dead) for following his dream and vision, even if it's not what I would do (not that I would ever have the ability to take on a project like this, to such a high level). Just my , FWIW.
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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The factory drawings that fortunately never made production. Atleast they got the roofline right.
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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Man, some of you guys are harsh. After reading some of the sanctimonious comments in this thread, you'd think that he was spending your money and making you do the work on it... The man had a vision and he managed to follow it through before he passed. Have some respect for that. Many of us will likely leave our families with a bunch of cars and car stuff that our families will have to deal with later... it's not uncommon. And our families will likely only get a fraction out of it from what we spent on the junk - I've seen some cases where it all just went to the scrap yard. A life's worth of collecting, all scrap metal to go into the next electric Hyundai... think about it. Regardless... on the topic of the 4-door Barracuda itself, I'm sure the idea was tossed around at the product planning/styling dept. brainstorming sessions, even if it never made it to clay. Ford and GM were considering it, why wouldn't the Chrysler Corp.? If I were brainstorming this project, I would have aimed the marketing at somebody who really wanted a sporty car like a Barracuda, and not a tall frumpy looking sedan (otherwise they could just have bought a Satellite and called it a day). The concept drawing that was floating around at the time of a 4 door hardtop with low roofline seemed like a more likely candidate, rather than where Dave ended up going. Just my opinion, but the end result looked like what might have happened if the engineers won their argument over the styling department, and upper management insisted on more headroom for back seat passengers (and perhaps better structural integrity as offered by a sedan vs a hardtop). Here's the drawing that was floating around (which I thought would more likely have been what Chrysler would have pursued): For me, it was interesting. I followed the build online and was amazed at the workmanship and attention to detail that was put into it... even if I didn't really like the final result aesthetically. It only adds to the hobby as far as I'm concerned, and I really have no time for anyone who wants to cut a guy down (especially after he's dead) for following his dream and vision, even if it's not what I would do (not that I would ever have the ability to take on a project like this, to such a high level). Just my , FWIW. If you do something wrong,no matter how much detail you put into it at the end of the day it's still wrong. The right way to do it was to use the Cuda roof,extend it using the center of a second Cuda roof,cut the door window frames off the Coronet doors and have glass made to fit the roof properly. If anyone could have pulled this off correctly it was Dave,his company makes glass. He decided to do it the easy way using the stock Coronet glass and door window frames that in no way align with the roof line of a Cuda. He should have done the pillarless model with the right roofline like the drawing. Then he got pissed off at everyone who called him out on the car for the roof looking effing goofy,well it does look effing goofy. The roof lines of the two cars aren't even close,and the curved A pillars that get wider as they go up look like crap against the Cuda straight windshield moldings that end six inches below the side glass height!
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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It's not meanness it is just stating the obvious facts on the build. All of Daves other restorations were top notch OEM gold quality builds as were the products he made and offered to our hobby. Dave's passing is truly a loss to everyone involved in the hobby. This build however was a swing and a miss.
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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[quote=ChryCoGuy]
If you do something wrong,no matter how much detail you put into it at the end of the day it's still wrong. The right way to do it was to use the Cuda roof,extend it using the center of a second cuda roof,cut the door window frames off the Coronet doors and have glass made to fit the roof properly. If anyone could have pulled this off correctly it was Dave,his company makes glass. He chose to do it the easy way instead of doing the pillarless model with the right roofline like the drawing. Then he got pissed off at everyone who called him out on the car for the roof looking effing goofy,well it does look effing goofy. The roof lines of the two cars aren't even close,and the curved A pillars that get wider as they go up look like crap against the Cuda straight windshield moldings that end six inches below the side glass height! never saw it from that angle. my god that is bad. it really is the perfect example of just because ya can doesn't mean you should.
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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[quote=ChryCoGuy]
If you do something wrong,no matter how much detail you put into it at the end of the day it's still wrong. The right way to do it was to use the Cuda roof,extend it using the center of a second cuda roof,cut the door window frames off the Coronet doors and have glass made to fit the roof properly. If anyone could have pulled this off correctly it was Dave,his company makes glass. He chose to do it the easy way instead of doing the pillarless model with the right roofline like the drawing. Then he got pissed off at everyone who called him out on the car for the roof looking effing goofy,well it does look effing goofy. The roof lines of the two cars aren't even close,and the curved A pillars that get wider as they go up look like crap against the Cuda straight windshield moldings that end six inches below the side glass height! never saw it from that angle. my god that is bad. it really is the perfect example of just because ya can doesn't mean you should. The rear window is even worse.
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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My post should not be taken as meanness,it should be taken as reconstructive criticism,because I just laid out the complete blueprint for the new owner on how to fix the car and make it look like a car the factory actually would have built. Plus this can be achieved with minimal paintwork on the tops of the doors and most of the work would be under the vynal top.
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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As I said above KD,Losing Dave was a big loss to the hobby. I broke down the build,and stated that Dave had the means and access to get the right glass made for the car. Nothing against the craftsmanship,more so about the approach. I have things on my own builds that I would do different if I were to do them again. We learn and improve as we progress in the hobby. Dave set his own bar so high that people were left baffled by this build.
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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It's not meanness it is just stating the obvious facts on the build. All of Daves other restorations were top notch OEM gold quality builds as were the products he made and offered to our hobby. Dave's passing is truly a loss to everyone involved in the hobby. This build however was a swing and a miss. I didn't take your comments as meanness, actually. There's a difference between constructive criticism of one's work and actual shots at his character. IMHO some cross the line and I don't have a problem with calling it as such. Everybody has a right to their opinion, and I posted my honest thoughts on it, whether people agree with them or not. As far as how his family felt about it or what he should have spent his money on or whatever, that's just BS IMHO, and that's what I was talking about.
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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[quote=ChryCoGuy]
If you do something wrong,no matter how much detail you put into it at the end of the day it's still wrong. The right way to do it was to use the Cuda roof,extend it using the center of a second cuda roof,cut the door window frames off the Coronet doors and have glass made to fit the roof properly. If anyone could have pulled this off correctly it was Dave,his company makes glass. He chose to do it the easy way instead of doing the pillarless model with the right roofline like the drawing. Then he got pissed off at everyone who called him out on the car for the roof looking effing goofy,well it does look effing goofy. The roof lines of the two cars aren't even close,and the curved A pillars that get wider as they go up look like crap against the Cuda straight windshield moldings that end six inches below the side glass height! never saw it from that angle. my god that is bad. it really is the perfect example of just because ya can doesn't mean you should. The rear window is even worse.
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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If i had more money than brains I'd buy it, cut the roof off it and make it a proper 4 door hardtop. I remember controversy when it was being built but I never paid attention, looking at it now - man does it ever look wrong, and I assume the builder knew that but was too $$$ invested to turn around. I wasn't trying to be a jerk about it,but I was spelling out what was clearly done wrong and what was needed to make it right. Every car Dave had done before was OEM Gold level,which is not something that is easily achievable.!
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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I just found out today that the car sold at the auction for $121,000. I didn't think it would sell for that much
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I just found out today that the car sold at the auction for $121,000. I didn't think it would sell for that much I asked my friend who knows the seller of the car,why he bought the car in the first place,he said he like weird cars that are different,I said that one sure fits that description perfectly!
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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I'm not convinced they had a bid at 100k. They opened around 300 and started dropping of course. They stayed FOREVER at 100k asking 110. As soon as they got 110, it was a pretty quick hammer. I was hoping it would get hung just to see what they'd do. It sounds like someone got stuck with that monstrosity!
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction
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Was the guy who sold it this weekend the second owner? If the builder had $600K in it how much did this guy pay and how bad was his loss at the auction, or was it a buyback?
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