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Buying a 1969 plymouth car in Illinois #3034657
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Found a car that I want to buy but the car only has a transferable registration. Car is from New York and cars earlier than 1973 don't require a title . Will I have a problem registering it in Illinois? Will I be able to get a title. The seller has a copy of the original title but the DMV took the original when he originally registered it in New York.

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Went through this in ND about a year ago with a 1969 AMC from New York state. My local DMV had a cow, kept repeating that the only way it could be done with the New York registration card was with a bill of sale to back it up. Went to the state DMV in Bismarck, showed the clerk the card, she disappeared, and five minutes later I had a title. Moral of the story, totally up to your DMV, talk to them and see what they want.


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Re: Buying a 1969 plymouth car in Illinois [Re: 6PakBee] #3034743
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Anyone live in Illinois on here to help me out please?

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go to ill sos and then to faq. see buying without a title or call 618-498-5751 after 8 am tomorrow. that is my local sos office. they will answer your questions.

Re: Buying a 1969 plymouth car in Illinois [Re: Sammy] #3034753
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bought a 68 barracuda coupe from GA no title just bill of sale . DMV said as long as b.o.s has seller name, address purchaser name , address, car make, model & vin , amount and date i was good to go. I was very, very, very doubtful it would be that simple . got my title 6 weeks later did this just before dec 4 last year .But one lady there said no go and she had to get the book out to verify it could be done.

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Registering in Illinois will be a real challenge, if even possible. Illinois will require a title in order to get registration. You will have to contact the Secretary of State office in Springfield in order to get any hard information. The local offices will not be as much help and the information you get may vary depending on who you get on the phone.

The best route might be to get a title in another state and then get an Illinois title and registration from that. Illinois is tough, tough, tough on title issues.


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Re: Buying a 1969 plymouth car in Illinois [Re: superbee69] #3034790
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Originally Posted by superbee69
bought a 68 barracuda coupe from GA no title just bill of sale . DMV said as long as b.o.s has seller name, address purchaser name , address, car make, model & vin , amount and date i was good to go. I was very, very, very doubtful it would be that simple . got my title 6 weeks later did this just before dec 4 last year .But one lady there said no go and she had to get the book out to verify it could be done.



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Call DMV and find out \. NY isn't the only state with no titles for older vehicles and you'd already have the transferrable registration to prove ownership in NY so they should be familiar with that situation. It's probably more of a problem when you're dealing with a vehicle that's already licensed in Illinois that's supposed to have a title but doesn't.

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Originally Posted by 5thAve
Call DMV and find out \. NY isn't the only state with no titles for older vehicles and you'd already have the transferrable registration to prove ownership in NY so they should be familiar with that situation. It's probably more of a problem when you're dealing with a vehicle that's already licensed in Illinois that's supposed to have a title but doesn't.


Illinois doesn't have a DMV. Not understanding the offices that the OP needs to talk to will only complicate and confuse the situation.


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call 618-259-3630. hunts lic and title. they will be able to tell you what you need to know. 2 or 3 person office. they do a lot of title/lic work for dealerships and used car lots and go to springfield weekly.

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got this fbbo site. guy in nys tells po what he may have to do. illinois may be the same deal. sorry it is upside down.

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Re: Buying a 1969 plymouth car in Illinois [Re: trw1982] #3034849
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Illinois is a pain in the you know what. It is better to use a title service but they WILL require a bill of sale. If you buy a car from states that have hurricanes or floods there is also another form you have to fill out, just happened to me and that requires a Notary from the state the vehicle came from! eek Just move the he11 out of Illinois, problem solved... wave


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Re: Buying a 1969 plymouth car in Illinois [Re: DaveRS23] #3035051
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Originally Posted by DaveRS23
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Call DMV and find out \. NY isn't the only state with no titles for older vehicles and you'd already have the transferrable registration to prove ownership in NY so they should be familiar with that situation. It's probably more of a problem when you're dealing with a vehicle that's already licensed in Illinois that's supposed to have a title but doesn't.


Illinois doesn't have a DMV. Not understanding the offices that the OP needs to talk to will only complicate and confuse the situation.



So call whoever is in charge of vehicle licensing then, It's not confusing the situation at all. Go straight to the source. It can't be that hard or impossible like you said previously to deal with this when the car is coming from a state that doesn't have titles for older cars. If it's already in Illinois and you are purchasing a car with no title it's a different situation. The state licensing department or whatever they call themselves should know how to deal with this it's not a unique situation. People move and buy cars from other states all the time.

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You clearly have never had a title issue that you tried to resolve in Illinois. It is just not as easy as you seem to think that it is. Read some of the previous posts on dealing with titles in Illinois.


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Regardless of how you look at this issue, until the OP talks to somebody in the Illinois Secretary of State's office,

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this isn't going to get resolved. Period.


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Re: Buying a 1969 plymouth car in Illinois [Re: 6PakBee] #3035151
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I couldn't even get my drivers license renewed for almost two years in this he11 hole because the Gubmint thinks it knows best about Covid. I have given up getting plates for one of my daily drivers because it wouldn't pass emissions two years ago, got it fixed last year, then the check engine light came on again and won't pass emissions once again! I will continue to drive it fully insured with expired plates until I move. Forget about talking to anyone at the Secretary of State office, they are still all off working from home and just don't care about your problems... mad


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Re: Buying a 1969 plymouth car in Illinois [Re: Rhinodart] #3035162
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All of the above is true in this fine state of Illinois.
All the state employees are "working from home". Some may be required to come into the office once a week, but my son (that is a state employee in an area other then title or license) said that last week they were told not to come to the offices. There is another spike in Covid again, according to the people that make the rules.

Any titling process other then a straight currently active Illinois based title, really needs to go through a good licensing and title company. The few extra dollars is worth way more then the aggravation of dealing with some employee that is "working from home" that really isn't working and doesn't really care. Most of the title companies know what it takes to get stuff done in this he11 hole.

If your in the Freeport area, PM me, I can give you the name of the title company I use for titling almost everything in this goofy state. If your 40 miles away, there is likely someone closer to you that can do the same thing. Check with other car guys. Gene

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Originally Posted by DaveRS23
You clearly have never had a title issue that you tried to resolve in Illinois. It is just not as easy as you seem to think that it is. Read some of the previous posts on dealing with titles in Illinois.


No I haven't but it doesn't sound like you've dealt with the same situation as Sammy's before either. So far it looks like there is only one reply from someone who actually had to deal with it and they didn't think it was that big of a deal. Mybe they were lucky. I'm sure it is a pain in Illinois but I've dealt with other areas enough to know that title issues for vehicles that are already in a state is a lot different then bringing one in that conforms to the state it's coming from.

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People buy and sell muscle cars all the time at these big auctions. How do they handle the titling? Aren’t older cars purchased and registered in new states quite frequently? Connecticut is another non-title state for older cars.


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Originally Posted by 1972CudaV21
People buy and sell muscle cars all the time at these big auctions. How do they handle the titling? Aren’t older cars purchased and registered in new states quite frequently? Connecticut is another non-title state for older cars.


Working with people who buy cars at auctions for the last 20 years I would say the majority don't title the cars in their name, they put them in a file and skip them until they have a need to put them in their name. Most have a some kind of car dealership where they get plates to drive them or simply title them in free states like Montana, I have seen it a million times...


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sos office in jerseyville,ill says that to get an ill title to the car you need a bill of sale and a transferable registration form filled out by the seller.

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Originally Posted by Rhinodart
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People buy and sell muscle cars all the time at these big auctions. How do they handle the titling? Aren’t older cars purchased and registered in new states quite frequently? Connecticut is another non-title state for older cars.


Working with people who buy cars at auctions for the last 20 years I would say the majority don't title the cars in their name, they put them in a file and skip them until they have a need to put them in their name. Most have a some kind of car dealership where they get plates to drive them or simply title them in free states like Montana, I have seen it a million times...


Thanks for sharing your experience. Non-state residents can obtain titles in Montana?


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Originally Posted by Rhinodart
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People buy and sell muscle cars all the time at these big auctions. How do they handle the titling? Aren’t older cars purchased and registered in new states quite frequently? Connecticut is another non-title state for older cars.


Working with people who buy cars at auctions for the last 20 years I would say the majority don't title the cars in their name, they put them in a file and skip them until they have a need to put them in their name. Most have a some kind of car dealership where they get plates to drive them or simply title them in free states like Montana, I have seen it a million times...

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The auction houses will also step in and post a bond to satisfy the state which will then issue an "ASSIGNED VIN" to the vehicle. At least BJ and Mecum did in two cases I know about. Their contracts with the buyer GUARNTEE the ability to title the vehicle or they will be liable to take the vehicle back with all costs incurred. That by the way is the ONLY thing they Guarantee.
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My title quest started with a call to insurance agent to get to a bond to get a title for my 68, but per my agents request I called Silvis Il dmv that's when they said I could get a title in Il with a B.O.S as long as it had all the info on it. and that's what I did

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Originally Posted by superbee69
My title quest started with a call to insurance agent to get to a bond to get a title for my 68, but per my agents request I called Silvis Il dmv that's when they said I could get a title in Il with a B.O.S as long as it had all the info on it. and that's what I did


Interesting, the collar counties around Chicago WILL NOT do this! I have been to every county around Chicago all the way to Rockford and all I got from them was to start a bonded title which takes about three years and 10% cash down with what they deem the vehicle is worth... shruggy


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I've bonded a few vehicles in IL (the last one 2 years ago). I don't believe a bonded title would be required on this one. A good title agency makes things go much more smoothly.

There are even good Secretary of State offices that are helpful, as long as your not doing things like this a lot. Usually you have to talk with the right person at that office, and you need to have exactly what you need before the process can start. Its often easier to ask the right person at those good offices what you need to get the job done before you start the process, then come in later with everything the State requires.. With IL, there may be several forms needed, and matching dates on all the forms (within a specific time frame) are often required. You want to ask the person helping you what forms are needed, who has to fill them out, and what forms may need the same date on them. Bring in the correct forms, with the correct person having filled them out, with the correct dates on them. Pictures as well if needed.

Want a title? Jump through their hoops! Then be very friendly about it all with the person trying to help you. Its most likely not the person you are dealing with, but the stupid state that causes the problem. When it comes to titles, most of the stuff the state requires won't make much sense, but you have to do it their dumb way.

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Originally Posted by Rhinodart
Originally Posted by superbee69
My title quest started with a call to insurance agent to get to a bond to get a title for my 68, but per my agents request I called Silvis Il dmv that's when they said I could get a title in Il with a B.O.S as long as it had all the info on it. and that's what I did


Interesting, the collar counties around Chicago WILL NOT do this! I have been to every county around Chicago all the way to Rockford and all I got from them was to start a bonded title which takes about three years and 10% cash down with what they deem the vehicle is worth... shruggy


Interesting, I would have thought Rockford might be ok. But definitely get out of the Chicagoland area, out to real midwest where people want to help each other would be my advice as well.


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I'm another 30 miles west of Rockford, 100 miles west of chitcago. I don't expect much help from the SOS even out here either, but some of the smaller tows have some people that are willing to help. You really need a small town SOS office with a person that is experienced with dealing with non-uniform title issues.
We have a very good licensing and title place here that has been extremely effective for me, but like I said, you still have to jump through the states hoops to get it done.

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