I think you may have found part of your issue with the longer lever by about .150 to .200".

the adjusters almost all the way out
reduces the ratio slightly

I haven’t measured yet, but I think it’s gonna take a pushrod about .250 shorter.

Depends upon the brand / design of the rocker. You can't say either way without having measured the lift curve with the adjusters at max and min extensions. Yes, I have data to validate my statement.

If the adjuster is parallel to the pushrod axis it always does, by extended the length of the pushrod lever.
I have the trigonometry.

A bigger rocker ratio is also a test of "Is my cam close to being too much for my displacement, static CR, ICL, LSA?".
Less power says: could be.

Since you insist on... well, just being you, I suppose:
- You made a blanket statement: "the adjusters almost all the way out reduces the ratio slightly"
- I responded that it depends upon the rocker, etc. I have data that shows it both ways, depending upon the rocker geometry.
- You said "I have the trigonometry".
- I have the CAD files that validate my baseline measurements within .002-.003". No doubt they factor in the trigonometry, as well.

So, you have basically zero threads(or less) showing below the rocker now(pushrod cup almost touching rocker body).

The adjuster being screwed up in to the rocker body further generally increases the ratio(slightly).

For first diagram, the "A" measurements are with the pushrod adjuster extended about .100" beyond where they should have been. The "B" test is w/ the adjuster length shortened to it's min acceptable length:

Lift --- _A_ --- _B_
.010 --- 316.5 - 315
.020 --- 305 --- 303.5
.050 --- 281 --- 279.5
.100 --- 255 --- 253.5
.150 --- 235.5 - 234
.200 --- 218.5 - 217
.250 --- 203 --- 202.5
.300 --- 189 --- 187.5
.350 --- 175 --- 173
.400 --- 159.5 - 158
.450 --- 145 --- 143
.500 --- 127.5 - 126
.550 --- 109.5 - 107.5
.600 --- 87 ---- 85
.650 --- 56 ---- 53.5

Lift -- .685" - .682"

The second diagram represents the config for the "C" (long adjuster) and "D" (short adjuster) measurements:

Lift --- _C_ --- _D_
.010 --- 314.5 - 315.5
.020 --- 303 --- 303.5
.050 --- 279 --- 279
.100 --- 253 --- 253
.150 --- 232.5 - 233.5
.200 --- 216 --- 216
.250 --- 200 --- 200.5
.300 --- 185.5 - 185.5
.350 --- 170 --- 170
.400 --- 155 --- 155.5
.450 --- 139 --- 140
.500 --- 121 --- 123
.550 --- 101 --- 103
.600 --- 76 ---- 79
.650 --- 35.5 -- 42.5

Lift -- .663" - .670"

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Yes, if I remember correctly it’s 1 full turn from bottoming the cup at the bottom of the rocker. I just got a new pushrod checker. I will try it with a checking spring and see what I get for a measure on intake valve this weekend.

Ok, looks like it’s only .003 max different in the area I’m checking which is just off the base circle.

Hmmmm... seems I forgot what I had said not that long ago. I'm going to do my best to stay outta these petty and just go on about my business.

Maybe I just don't see it, but where are the alternate pushrod positions in the rocker indicating adjuster length?

I will have to look at this on my pc, but looks like shorter pushrod creates more lift.

IMO, using pushrod length to affect lift is a bad idea. You have a limited range of correct adjuster position. IMO the adjuster (if you are using a cup adjuster) should be as far into the rocker as it can be. If you are using a ball adjuster (depending on who made the rocker) it needs to be out 9/32 minus .050 plus zero.

A = ball-type adjuster w/ 9.200" EL (effective length) pushrod
B = cup-style adjuster w/ 9.575 OAL (overall length) pushrod
C = ball-type adjuster; pushrod 9.425" EL
D = cup-style adjuster; pushrod 9.800" OAL

^^^ - Each style (ball vs cup) has a "sweet spot" where it's supposed to be set. Jacking around w/ their positions for the sake of tweaking the lift curve isn't a great idea... IMO.

Changing pushrod length to correct clearances was not my intension. You see, the pushrods im using to check my clearances are too long because i switched to a solid roller from a flat tappet and thought i could just use my old pushrods to get my measures for now. My current pr measure 9 1/6" long. I need 9" to maybe 8 15/16", so my old ones are not too long to get my measures after all. I have 1 thread showing on adjuster under rocker with lash using 9"pr.

I found some notes I made.
My original description of the adjuster as parallel to the pushrod may be true, but it's not significant.

The shape in question is a right triangle. The geo:
The adjuster thread is 90 degrees to the pushrod lever, a horizontal line equal to the lever's length (the triangle height).
The exposed thread is a vertical line descending from the left edge of this line, the height is the difference (the triangle base) in adjuster positions.
Draw the hypotenuse. It's longer than the 1st line. In any right triangle the hypotenuse is always the longest distance.
Therefore, the pushrod lever becomes longer as the thread length increases.
The valve lever length is unchanged, so the rocker arm ratio goes down.

If the pushrod lever (triangle height) is 1.00" (fairly common) and the valve lever is 1.70", the ratio is 1.7:1
If the exposed thread distance (triangle base) is increased by .100", the hypotenuse length is the square root of the sum of the squares of the 2 sides (Pythagoras).
1.00^2 + .100^2 = 1.01^.5
1.01^.5 = 1.005

The new ratio is 1.70" ÷ 1.005" = 1.691:1

If the adjuster angle is different, the math will be off, how much and in which direction? Give me the angle.

I was taught to watch rocker arm tip on the valve stem and shoot for having that contact to start on the inner third of the stem when closed and go across the center to the outer third at max lift
That has worked for me really well, especially on Mopar single shaft rocker arms