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Re: Challenger SRT real ET's Auto vs Stick
[Re: NewMethods]
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Re: Challenger SRT real ET's Auto vs Stick
[Re: 440Jim]
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04/23/09 09:32 PM
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I have been going to the track with my Rt and a friend in their SRT 6 spd. They can not get that car to ET at all. Their best is high 13's so far.The 6 speeds have a terrible problem with wheel hop. It seems to be bothering almost everyone with a 6 spd.
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Re: Challenger SRT real ET's Auto vs Stick
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04/23/09 11:03 PM
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In talking with some LX platform guys at the track, even the guys with SRT's have told me that the r/t's and the 5.7 you get better bang for your buck.
I haven't heard of any impressive numbers out of the SRT challengers yet.
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Re: Challenger SRT real ET's Auto vs Stick
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04/24/09 08:09 AM
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From what i have seen, IF i was to buy a challenger i would get the RT.The SRT doesnt live up to the RT to me.
I am amazed at the price increase from one version to the next, but Chrysler isn't the only one doing that.
Isn't it around $7k more from a base model to the R/T, then another $7k from the R/T to the SRT? That is amost 2 of the base model cars. Yes you do get more "stuff", but is each step $7k worth of stuff? For drag racing, maybe buy a base model and spend the $14k for a race motor.
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Re: Challenger SRT real ET's Auto vs Stick
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04/25/09 09:27 PM
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In talking with some LX platform guys at the track, even the guys with SRT's have told me that the r/t's and the 5.7 you get better bang for your buck.
I haven't heard of any impressive numbers out of the SRT challengers yet.
I think the thing that hurts the 6.1's the most are the heads, they're monsters, once they're stroked over 400" they match the motor well.
The first time I had my 5.7 charger at the track I ran within .07 of an SRT all night but he had 4mph on me, same deal with my truck- It's mostly stock and runs way better than it should considering it's 4740# with a 345" small block.
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Re: Challenger SRT real ET's Auto vs Stick
[Re: NewMethods]
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04/25/09 10:22 PM
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I saw two Challenger SRT8s run last night, one ran a fairly consistent 13.5 at 107-108 mph, the owner felt he could get better times with different launch results.
The other car was identical (same color too!) but he claimed his car was bone stock yet he ran 12.9 at 114mph.
114 mph!!!!!
I could believe the 12.9, but 114 mph for a dead stock SRT8 seems a bit high?
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Re: Challenger SRT real ET's Auto vs Stick
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04/26/09 09:07 AM
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I think the thing that hurts the 6.1's the most are the heads, they're monsters, once they're stroked over 400" they match the motor well.
The 2009 5.7 has (basically) a 6.1 port configuration along with variable valve timing to try to get around the monster head deal. I tore down an '09 a couple weeks ago for a peek. The cam sprocket has inner and outer sections, there are oil chambers between the sections in the back, and a solonoid to control which way the oil goes, to move the cam one way or the other. Then there's a big clock spring to hold it in place before the VCT activates, so it doesn't flop around. Didn't get a chance to check with a degree wheel but eyeballing it, it looks like that apparatus can move the cam maybe 20 degrees(?), maybe more(?).
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Re: Challenger SRT real ET's Auto vs Stick
[Re: Dodgetony]
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04/27/09 08:36 PM
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Wow, those SRT times seem real slow. My wife's SRT8 06 Charger ran 14.2 (101MPH)at Bandimere Speedway with a density elevation of 11,000ft. That translates to a 13.0 at around 108mph at sea level. Maybe the motors haven't broke in all the way yet or these guys can't drive......
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Re: Challenger SRT real ET's Auto vs Stick
[Re: qwkmopardan]
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04/27/09 09:04 PM
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I have a Tor-red 09 Challenger 5.7 R/T auto and it went 13.45 at 104.88, showroom stock. I also happen to have a Black 09 Challenger 5.7 R/T with a six speed and it went 13.31 at 105.35, showroom stock. The auto was 2.02 in the 60ft and the 6 speed was 2.01. I don't know why but the 6 speed car feels quite a bit quicker but less than a tenth and a half second difference.
Finally someone with a legit answer for how a 6 speed R/T will run... That thing is drag radials away from 12's...
11.48 @ 120 with a 1.80 60' 318, stock 1.88 heads, stock 904, Pump Gas, 13 lbs of boost.
9.94 @ 134, 318 on pump gas, 14 lbs w/ Eddies, transbrake 727, 3600 lbs, 3.54 gear and 28's.
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Re: Challenger SRT real ET's Auto vs Stick
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04/28/09 07:55 AM
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Just curious. How much of a beating can these cars take before they start leaving transmission and rearend parts on the track? Will they survive with good tires? How about strokers? Are major chassis and drive train changes necessary?
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Re: Challenger SRT real ET's Auto vs Stick
[Re: qwkmopardan]
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04/28/09 09:41 PM
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I have a Tor-red 09 Challenger 5.7 R/T auto and it went 13.45 at 104.88, showroom stock. I also happen to have a Black 09 Challenger 5.7 R/T with a six speed and it went 13.31 at 105.35, showroom stock. The auto was 2.02 in the 60ft and the 6 speed was 2.01. I don't know why but the 6 speed car feels quite a bit quicker but less than a tenth and a half second difference. Both cars together cost $57500 which is only about $12500 more than a single SRT. Double the fun. Also need to mention I raced a stock 6.0 GTO Automatic and it only went 13.78 at 102.xx mph. Also raced a stock Mustang GT Automatic and 13.88 at 101mph was all it ran. Raced both on the same day with the 6 speed car at the race track. So the GTOs and mustangs that are fast, are not stock or are supercharged Cobras or maybe N20 equipped. I just can't wait to whoop up on the new 2010 Camaro SS. I'm sure that the proud new owners will be quite pissed off. 
How many miles were on the cars when they ran their best ET ?
Your black one is exactly the car I want but whisker delete. Looks awesome !! 
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Re: Challenger SRT real ET's Auto vs Stick
[Re: qwkmopardan]
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04/29/09 02:03 AM
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Dan, how did you get 2 cars under 58 grand? Assuming the black car was at least 4 grandish more, thats like 27 for the auto and 31 for the stick car with the 20's, which are both really good deals from the looking around i've done.. did you get an extra good deal buying 2 at once?
11.48 @ 120 with a 1.80 60' 318, stock 1.88 heads, stock 904, Pump Gas, 13 lbs of boost.
9.94 @ 134, 318 on pump gas, 14 lbs w/ Eddies, transbrake 727, 3600 lbs, 3.54 gear and 28's.
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Re: Challenger SRT real ET's Auto vs Stick
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04/29/09 07:09 PM
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Just for reference , there's a guy on Dodgetalk who's gone 14.007 @ 96.75 with a stock 5.7 '09 RCSB Dodge Ram w/3.92.....
It probably has more left in it too if it's brand new since he has at least 40hp on the old 5.7's, my 04 RCSB has been 14.2/97mph in current street trim and it's near stock, bone stock with less than 2k miles it went 14.48/95mph.
With about 250# removed, the grille blocked, air filter removed and a Superchips programmer I got a 13.87/99mph, it went a 13.99/98mph with just the Superchips and I started doing everything I could think of to break 100mph but it wasn't happening.
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