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How many guys using a wide band A\F ratio gauge? #294854 04/21/09 10:44 AM 04/21/09 10:44 AM
Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,195 Snowing in the north! D Dart 340 OP moparts member
Dart 340 OP moparts member D Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,195 Snowing in the north!	How many of you guys are using a wide band air fuel ratio gauge, and do you run it all the time or pull it after your dialed in?

Re: How many guys using a wide band A\F ratio gauge? [Re: Dart 340] #294855 04/21/09 03:17 PM 04/21/09 03:17 PM
Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,195 Snowing in the north! D Dart 340 OP moparts member
Dart 340 OP moparts member D Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,195 Snowing in the north!	Ok cool, looks like no one really uses them so I won't worry about a group buy discount.

Re: How many guys using a wide band A\F ratio gauge? [Re: Dart 340] #294856 04/21/09 03:32 PM 04/21/09 03:32 PM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,344 Cincinnati, OH 6 6T6Cuda top fuel
6T6Cuda top fuel 6 Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,344 Cincinnati, OH	I have an LM-1 I used; learned a lot about tuning from it, but the car still does not run any better... I still have a lot to learn...

Re: How many guys using a wide band A\F ratio gauge? [Re: 6T6Cuda] #294857 04/21/09 04:02 PM 04/21/09 04:02 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,123 Grand Haven, MI patrick I Live Here
patrick I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,123 Grand Haven, MI	I borrowed a friend's LM1 to dial in my motor, but I don't run it continuously, since it's not mine 1976 Spinnaker White Plymouth Duster, /6 A833OD 1986 Silver/Twilight Blue Chrysler 5th Ave HotRod SOLD!* 2011 Toxic Orange Dodge Charger R/T 2017 Grand Cherokee Overland 2014 Jeep Cherokee Latitude (holy crap, my daughter is driving)

Re: How many guys using a wide band A\F ratio gauge? [Re: patrick] #294858 04/21/09 06:25 PM 04/21/09 06:25 PM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,395 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY Dragula I Live Here
Dragula I Live Here Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,395 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY	I run a FAST efi system, its built in, and its just like anything else, if you don't know how to read it and interprete your engine's response to changes, your not gaining anything with it. '70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9) '66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage '71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk

Re: How many guys using a wide band A\F ratio gauge? [Re: Dragula] #294859 04/21/09 06:33 PM 04/21/09 06:33 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,570 San Francisco Ca SCATPK master
SCATPK master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,570 San Francisco Ca	I run one and have recently tuned my carbs by seeing what the jet changes did to the A/F ratio at cruise and wot. They work well and in my opinion worth every penny if you are going to tune your carb or carbs for best performance and mileage.

Re: How many guys using a wide band A\F ratio gauge? [Re: Dart 340] #294860 04/21/09 08:32 PM 04/21/09 08:32 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,150 Benton, IL. D DaveRS23 Special needs idiot
DaveRS23 Special needs idiot D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,150 Benton, IL.	I run an LM-1 all the time. I am always learning something new. I don't watch it all the time, but I check it regularly especially if anything out of the ordinary happens. I also log ever-so-often just to get a close look at what is going on. Master, again and still

Re: How many guys using a wide band A\F ratio gauge? [Re: Dart 340] #294861 04/21/09 09:23 PM 04/21/09 09:23 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 7,759 So Cal HealthServices Why would you even post that?
HealthServices Why would you even post that? Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 7,759 So Cal	Quote: Ok cool, looks like no one really uses them so I won't worry about a group buy discount. Maybe if you ask if anyone was interested in a group buy on a/f guage and O2 sensor you may get a better response, I kind of doubt there is enough interest though. People here are basically tight wads and this is too high tech for the majority of them. bet you get a better reponse out of the race section Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.

Re: How many guys using a wide band A\F ratio gauge? [Re: HealthServices] #294862 04/21/09 09:28 PM 04/21/09 09:28 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	how much would it cost after a group discount? i plan on putting one in instead of shoving an o2 sensor up my tailpipe just for tuning purposes.

Re: How many guys using a wide band A\F ratio gauge? [Re: HealthServices] #294863 04/21/09 09:31 PM 04/21/09 09:31 PM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 902 Mopar Lane,Mississippi 6 67HEMI super stock
67HEMI super stock 6 Joined: May 2008 Posts: 902 Mopar Lane,Mississippi	I run a FAST A/F meter all the time. You can record and also show both sensors' readout or single mode will average the two. '33 Plymouth 5 Window Coupe Blown Aluminum HEMI w/bolt ons (under construction) '69 Chrysler 300 Convertible 375 HP 440 '71 Plymouth Duster 360 W/EFI (Wife's Ride) '12 Ram MegaCab Dually 6.7 Cummins

Re: How many guys using a wide band A\F ratio gauge? [Re: 67HEMI] #294864 04/21/09 09:36 PM 04/21/09 09:36 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 292 Keizer, Oregon D Dadrules enthusiast
Dadrules enthusiast D Joined: May 2005 Posts: 292 Keizer, Oregon	I just ordered an Innovate Db-1.

Re: How many guys using a wide band A\F ratio gauge? [Re: 67HEMI] #294865 04/21/09 09:41 PM 04/21/09 09:41 PM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 15,491 the boonies aarcuda I Live Here
aarcuda I Live Here Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 15,491 the boonies	Quote: I run a FAST A/F meter all the time. You can record and also show both sensors' readout or single mode will average the two. I am borrowing a friends LM1. does the fast system also log RPMs? I checked their website and it doesnt look like it

Re: How many guys using a wide band A\F ratio gauge? [Re: aarcuda] #294866 04/21/09 09:56 PM 04/21/09 09:56 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 25,050 Texas GoodysGotaCuda 5.7L Hemi, 6spd
GoodysGotaCuda 5.7L Hemi, 6spd Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 25,050 Texas	I'm in the market for one, for the right price... 1972 Barracuda - 5.7L Hemi, T56 Magnum 6spd - https://www.facebook.com/GoodysGotaHemi 2020 RAM 1500 [img]https://i.imgur.com/v9yezP9.jpg[/img]

Re: How many guys using a wide band A\F ratio gauge? [Re: Dart 340] #294867 04/21/09 10:08 PM 04/21/09 10:08 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,572 Jacksonville Florida elitecustombody pro stock
elitecustombody pro stock Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,572 Jacksonville Florida	I run hardwired FJO wideband with digital readout screen on my daily driver 98 Supra , built motor,AEM, single turbo,blah..blah..blah...

Re: How many guys using a wide band A\F ratio gauge? [Re: GoodysGotaCuda] #294868 04/21/09 10:28 PM 04/21/09 10:28 PM
Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,195 Snowing in the north! D Dart 340 OP moparts member
Dart 340 OP moparts member D Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,195 Snowing in the north!	Quote: I'm in the market for one, for the right price... Other than free, what would the right price be?

Re: How many guys using a wide band A\F ratio gauge? [Re: Dart 340] #294869 04/21/09 10:34 PM 04/21/09 10:34 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 25,050 Texas GoodysGotaCuda 5.7L Hemi, 6spd
GoodysGotaCuda 5.7L Hemi, 6spd Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 25,050 Texas	Quote: Quote: I'm in the market for one, for the right price... Other than free, what would the right price be? Not quite sure what is being offered? Is this a brand that has been "tried and true", or trying to tap into the market? Does it offer logging? This a permanent or temporary/portable system? 1972 Barracuda - 5.7L Hemi, T56 Magnum 6spd - https://www.facebook.com/GoodysGotaHemi 2020 RAM 1500 [img]https://i.imgur.com/v9yezP9.jpg[/img]

Re: How many guys using a wide band A\F ratio gauge? [Re: aarcuda] #294870 04/21/09 10:37 PM 04/21/09 10:37 PM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 902 Mopar Lane,Mississippi 6 67HEMI super stock
67HEMI super stock 6 Joined: May 2008 Posts: 902 Mopar Lane,Mississippi	Quote: Quote: I run a FAST A/F meter all the time. You can record and also show both sensors' readout or single mode will average the two. I am borrowing a friends LM1. does the fast system also log RPMs? I checked their website and it doesnt look like it No it doesn't. '33 Plymouth 5 Window Coupe Blown Aluminum HEMI w/bolt ons (under construction) '69 Chrysler 300 Convertible 375 HP 440 '71 Plymouth Duster 360 W/EFI (Wife's Ride) '12 Ram MegaCab Dually 6.7 Cummins

Re: How many guys using a wide band A\F ratio gauge? [Re: GoodysGotaCuda] #294871 04/21/09 10:59 PM 04/21/09 10:59 PM
Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,195 Snowing in the north! D Dart 340 OP moparts member
Dart 340 OP moparts member D Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,195 Snowing in the north!	Quote: Quote: Quote: I'm in the market for one, for the right price... Other than free, what would the right price be? Not quite sure what is being offered? Is this a brand that has been "tried and true", or trying to tap into the market? Does it offer logging? This a permanent or temporary/portable system? I was going to see what I could get AutoMeter to do for a discount for the site for their gauges. I was thinking about picking up a WB AF gauge for my car and was curious what others might think and be interested in. Just curious.

Re: How many guys using a wide band A\F ratio gauge? [Re: Dart 340] #294872 04/21/09 11:36 PM 04/21/09 11:36 PM
Joined: May 2006 Posts: 236 Southern CA Colin Frolick enthusiast
Colin Frolick enthusiast Joined: May 2006 Posts: 236 Southern CA	i want one, been looking at fast or the lm-1

Re: How many guys using a wide band A\F ratio gauge? [Re: GoodysGotaCuda] #294873 04/22/09 08:36 AM 04/22/09 08:36 AM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 4,922 new berlin wisconsin M Mr T2U master
Mr T2U master M Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 4,922 new berlin wisconsin	Quote: I'm in the market for one, for the right price... http://cgi.ebay.com/LM-2-Wide-Band-O2-A-...Q2em118Q2el1247 http://cgi.ebay.com/LM-1-RPM-Wide-Band-O...Q2em118Q2el1247 i didn't know the price has dropped this much. they were over $500 not to long ago. or if you don't want so high tech. http://cgi.ebay.com/AEM-WIDEBAND-UEGO-GA...1QQcmdZViewItem if you can see what kind of price you can get from autometer i am interested, especially after seeing the prices listed above. now i have some serious thinking to do. Last edited by Mr T2U; 04/22/09 09:04 AM. perception is 90% of reality

Re: How many guys using a wide band A\F ratio gauge? [Re: Mr T2U] #294874 04/22/09 09:31 AM 04/22/09 09:31 AM
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 3,333 MARYLAND 69Cuda340S master
69Cuda340S master Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 3,333 MARYLAND	Quote: Quote: I'm in the market for one, for the right price... http://cgi.ebay.com/LM-2-Wide-Band-O2-A-...Q2em118Q2el1247 http://cgi.ebay.com/LM-1-RPM-Wide-Band-O...Q2em118Q2el1247 i didn't know the price has dropped this much. they were over $500 not to long ago. or if you don't want so high tech. http://cgi.ebay.com/AEM-WIDEBAND-UEGO-GA...1QQcmdZViewItem if you can see what kind of price you can get from autometer i am interested, especially after seeing the prices listed above. now i have some serious thinking to do. $379 for an LM-1 with RPM converter. I am liking that price. Yes I do believe they were over $500 the last I looked just a few months back.

Re: How many guys using a wide band A\F ratio gauge? [Re: 69Cuda340S] #294875 04/22/09 09:47 AM 04/22/09 09:47 AM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 15,491 the boonies aarcuda I Live Here
aarcuda I Live Here Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 15,491 the boonies	Quote: Quote: Quote: I'm in the market for one, for the right price... http://cgi.ebay.com/LM-2-Wide-Band-O2-A-...Q2em118Q2el1247 http://cgi.ebay.com/LM-1-RPM-Wide-Band-O...Q2em118Q2el1247 i didn't know the price has dropped this much. they were over $500 not to long ago. or if you don't want so high tech. http://cgi.ebay.com/AEM-WIDEBAND-UEGO-GA...1QQcmdZViewItem if you can see what kind of price you can get from autometer i am interested, especially after seeing the prices listed above. now i have some serious thinking to do. $379 for an LM-1 with RPM converter. I am liking that price. Yes I do believe they were over $500 the last I looked just a few months back. its a setup. the picture shows an rpm converter but there is none in the listing: M-1 RPM Wide Band O2 A/F meter kit by Innovate motorsports. Innovate # 3724 New! Free Worldwide shipping. Free - 3 extra bungs & plugs * * Includes: The display/meter * Bosch 5 wire wide-band oxygen sensor and cable * Cigarette-lighter power adapter * Serial cable for PC connection, * 9V battery * Exhaust bung and plug * CD and manual.

Re: How many guys using a wide band A\F ratio gauge? [Re: aarcuda] #294876 04/22/09 09:58 AM 04/22/09 09:58 AM
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 3,333 MARYLAND 69Cuda340S master
69Cuda340S master Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 3,333 MARYLAND	Part number 3724 does include the RPM converter according to Innovates web site. They also list the package at $429 which is cheaper then before: http://www.titanmotorsports.com/lm1rpmkit.html

Re: How many guys using a wide band A\F ratio gauge? [Re: 69Cuda340S] #294877 04/22/09 11:04 AM 04/22/09 11:04 AM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 15,491 the boonies aarcuda I Live Here
aarcuda I Live Here Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 15,491 the boonies	cool!

Re: How many guys using a wide band A\F ratio gauge? [Re: aarcuda] #294878 04/22/09 11:15 AM 04/22/09 11:15 AM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 15,491 the boonies aarcuda I Live Here
aarcuda I Live Here Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 15,491 the boonies	this one is $379 with FREE SHIPPING LM-1 RPM SOLD!!! I just picked one up. Now i can Rob his back. D'ja hear that Rob? Its a coming home!! Thanks for letting me borrow it

Re: How many guys using a wide band A\F ratio gauge? [Re: aarcuda] #294879 04/22/09 12:04 PM 04/22/09 12:04 PM
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 3,333 MARYLAND 69Cuda340S master
69Cuda340S master Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 3,333 MARYLAND	At that price I need to get one of those real soon.

Re: How many guys using a wide band A\F ratio gauge? [Re: aarcuda] #294880 04/22/09 12:08 PM 04/22/09 12:08 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,682 South San Francisco, Ca 70sixpkrt master
70sixpkrt master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,682 South San Francisco, Ca	What is a good brand a/f gauge to run in the car permanently? [img]http://www.imgur.com/hxlGUJt.gif[/img] 4-speed 3:54 Dana 13.01 @107.93 with street tires (not hooking up)

Re: How many guys using a wide band A\F ratio gauge? [Re: 70sixpkrt] #294881 04/22/09 12:49 PM 04/22/09 12:49 PM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 15,491 the boonies aarcuda I Live Here
aarcuda I Live Here Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 15,491 the boonies	Quote: What is a good brand a/f gauge to run in the car permanently? the innovate has a gauge you can buy

Re: How many guys using a wide band A\F ratio gauge? [Re: 70sixpkrt] #294882 04/22/09 12:54 PM 04/22/09 12:54 PM
Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 531 Virginia J JimG mopar
JimG mopar J Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 531 Virginia	Quote: What is a good brand a/f gauge to run in the car permanently? An Innovate LC-1 with a gauge (like a G2) works very well for permanent mounting.

Re: How many guys using a wide band A\F ratio gauge? [Re: 70sixpkrt] #294883 04/22/09 01:07 PM 04/22/09 01:07 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts
DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada	I've got an Innovate LC-1 with a permanently mounted analog wideband gauge.

Re: How many guys using a wide band A\F ratio gauge? [Re: JimG] #294884 04/22/09 01:11 PM 04/22/09 01:11 PM
Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,195 Snowing in the north! D Dart 340 OP moparts member
Dart 340 OP moparts member D Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,195 Snowing in the north!	So say 200 bucks or so for an autometer cobalt unit would be a killer deal?

Re: How many guys using a wide band A\F ratio gauge? [Re: aarcuda] #294885 04/22/09 01:50 PM 04/22/09 01:50 PM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 12,271 Overpriced Housing Central RobX4406 I Live Here
RobX4406 I Live Here Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 12,271 Overpriced Housing Central	Quote: this one is $379 with FREE SHIPPING LM-1 RPM SOLD!!! I just picked one up. Now i can Rob his back. D'ja hear that Rob? Its a coming home!! Thanks for letting me borrow it My prayers have been answered! Did you get the RPM logging issue figured out/resolved? Happy to help you out and say thanks to your wife for fixing it up for me.

Re: How many guys using a wide band A\F ratio gauge? [Re: RobX4406] #294886 04/22/09 10:41 PM 04/22/09 10:41 PM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 15,491 the boonies aarcuda I Live Here
aarcuda I Live Here Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 15,491 the boonies	I never did get the rpm thing figured out. It may be your system or it may be my electronics module (my Mallory Hyfire IV might be messing with it). once I get the other setup (should be soon). I'll call innovate and ask if my Hyfire box is screwing with it. if they say NO, i'll swap everything out and see if the new stuff works. if it does, your stuff is not working and I'll try and troubleshoot it to find which part isnt working. right now, I can log up to about 3000 rpm and then it flat lines line its clipping an input amp. maybe this is why you got such a great deal on it????

Re: How many guys using a wide band A\F ratio gauge? [Re: aarcuda] #294887 04/22/09 11:00 PM 04/22/09 11:00 PM
Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,195 Snowing in the north! D Dart 340 OP moparts member
Dart 340 OP moparts member D Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,195 Snowing in the north!	I do know some gauges have problems if you run the gauge wires to close to the ignition or even secondary ignition wires. Just a thought.

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