The problem with limited slip rear ends is if both tires are spinning they will slip off to the side in certain situations. Open diffs do not. My 92 has a limited slip and gets stuck on wet grass.

'Slipping off to the side' has a little to do with the competency of the driver too, doesn't it? Just like a muscle car?

Just how good of a driver does it take to manage a sure- grip?

I suppose that would depend on what sort of slope you are on. I would agree that in most areas with decent roads 4wd is probably not needed, around here though you can easily slip off the side of a "road" and I use that term loosely, and find yourself tumbling down the side of a mountain. There are plenty of areas around here where running just 6" off the road will get you in big trouble.

Well, having both rear wheels pull also means it is less likely that they will break traction, so there's that. You could make the same argument about pulling both rear tires in a muscle car. It can make a car 'fish-tail' or swerve hard sideways when the tires spin. Just look at the rustangs leaving car shows. Open rears are much less likely to do that. Would you also caution against sure grips in muscle cars, too?

The driver is the key here. Sounds to me like some can handle sure grips..................and some can't.

What keeps most old school 4x4s in 2wd is the transfer case.
You're told not to drive them on paved surfaces or binding/damage/poor steering will happen.
In recent years Ram1500s with the big horn and upper trim levels have a 4x4 auto position.
This you can, and should drive on paved roads, helpful when it rains, snows,ice, etc. like having an AWD vehicle.
Without this feature, most Ram owners will never use their 4x4, as a 4x4!
Wish it was offered on 2500 and 3500 Rams!

Two different animals, I don't know about you but I'm not taking a muscle/drag car or any other car for that matter on some of these roads. When the real estate listing says 4wd needed to access property, they aren't kidding. Besides all of that, you guys are totally discounting that these trucks are used off road as well by some. The TRX is an on/off road vehicle. The GC Hellcat was not. Why would you need a 2wd Hellcat pickup when there are already 2wd vehicles that are Hellcat powered?

You're missing the more fundamental point here. Not really 2 different animals at all. A vehicle with a rear sure grip can require more talent to perform at it's best than one with an open rear. That applies to cars on pavement as well as to trucks off.

If rustangs didn't have both rear wheels pulling, they probably wouldn't have as much trouble staying on the road when leaving events. Similar to your problem keeping your vehicle on the the road when both rear wheels pull.

Sounds to me like (in my best Jack Nickolson voice) "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE SURE GRIP!"

not helping your argument very much with those examples..

Sounds to me like you are clueless as to what is considered a road around here. So whatever Mr. I got the world figured out.

While you might think I am clueless, at least I can handle a sure grip. Both on and off the road.

And I respect that you understand what Dirty Harry meant when he said "A man's got to know his limitations." Which is "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE SURE GRIP!"

Ahhhh .... nuttin like a good FOOD FIGHT .... ...remember that Atari game ?

TRX uses electronic lockers on the rear, not any form of limited slip / sure grip. Don’t know what they do on the front, but if it’s a one wheeler that’s too bad. Real 4wd really benefits from lockers front and rear. Needed mine big time last Saturday in the mud!

No, all you need is a 2wd limited slip. Didn't you read what Dave said?

Funny conversations going on here. I wonder how a person determines the rules that describe what "manly work" is? I spent my life doing auto repair, heavy machine repair, and for the last 30 years or so I ran a one man welding shop, but I didn't drive off the road or cut down trees to haul around. I suppose I didn't do "manly" enough work for some of you guys, but I'm OK with that.

I've owned a lot of Dodge trucks over the years, none of which I bought new. I've owned 2WD and 4x4s, both with sure grips, limited slip, or open rear axles. Some with all season tires, and some with traction tires, and some with real good traction tires. Some were V6, but most were V8, some V8s were bigger then others. I've put most of them through the paces, plowing snow, towing trailers, and full box loads, but nothing I would consider hard labor. I wouldn't consider any of those old Dodge trucks "gay". Each truck was used pretty much for a specific reason at a specific time frame, and I've not been disappointed with any of them. Most were also used for purposes other then the intended use they were purchased for, and most did a pretty good job then as well.

That said, I'm not going to be buying any new car or truck. I've only owned a few vehicles that were built in this century, and I fully intend to keep it that way as long as I can. Just because I'm not buying a new vehicle doesn't mean I think you shouldn't be buying a new vehicle. In my world, I don't need one, but in your world, you might.

I believe a guy has the right to buy any truck he sees fit to buy, weather or not you agree with him. Who are you to think you can determine what someone else should or should not buy? I suspect the guy is buying a truck for his purposes, not yours. Of course, if your going to buy the truck for him, he would still probably happily use it for what he needs it for. Heck, if your buying, I'll happily use one of those gay 2WD trucks, won't bother me in the least.

Are you going to send me a monthly check for gas as well? It will be tough, but I'll deal with one of those Hellcat trucks if your buying and covering the gas. Gene

My 2015 Power Wagon has electronic lockers front and rear. They work very well and the truck is a beast. A 2wd will not follow me very long. They will be like a fish out of water. They all have their purpose. I just have no use for a 2wd in my neck of the woods. I will bet you could go to every New car dealer in my county and not find one. Plus the trade in value up here on a 2wd is next to nothing. Most of the 2wd leg humpers have no idea of what off road is.[lol]

Yep, I totally agree. There is a lot of “living” out there that 2wd simply can’t access. Where I live it can become a matter of your life.....enter winches, recovery straps, snatch blocks etc.

You and Dave don’t know what you are talking about. Stay safe at home on your couch.

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Thanks for making my point Kerny!

Gene and quite a few others on here get it.

I'm surprised Pacnorth gets internet based on the need for a Mule and climbing gear to get to his house.

I can tell you one thing, last month when I did a transport to Alabama with my 2015 Ram 4x4 regular cab and 24' enclosed trailer I would NOT have been able to complete the transport without FOUR WHEEL DRIVE! I can't tell you how many 2wd trucks I saw in the ditches when they got 4" of snow, then and inch of ice, then another 4" of snow on top of it! They have ZERO snow removal equipment and there was nothing than a couple of 2-track ruts in all the roads! Most of the weenies here would have turned around or stopped for the night, my 4wd truck got me through just fine. One road was closed where there was a long hill and every single car and truck that went down that hill wiped out and hit each other. The cops had the road closed and there was a 20' median where I turned around to the other 2 lane road and took another route...