https://www.mazda-parts.com/oem-parts/mazda-yokohama-255-50r20-pk1101058410

I normally take the car to a good local quick lube for the oil changes. Yes, this place does a good job and is conscientious. But it is for oil changes only with a pit under the vehicle, so no, they aren't going to do the tire rotation.

I have no problem doing it myself, but I normally didn't because I don't have a good spot to do it. With 130,000 miles on this vehicle, it is on its fourth set of tires. The last set was a cheaper set and did not last long at all, but even this set of tires the rear had plenty of wear left and the front were long spent. It isn't fun driving in the snow here without a decent set of tires. It is also not a great idea to have tires with different tread styles, different wear and all and drive in the snow. I have done it and I have also spun a car around when the front grab and the rear don't. So I don't bother trying and replace all 4 when I change them.

Dealer recommended I get smaller wheels and smaller winter tires, but these do a good job and I am at a place if I don't have to drive in the snow, I don't.

I had a local shop where I had all my work done. The owner knew me, I recommended him to a lot of people, and he would put me ahead of the line if I stopped in for an oil change or something. Unfortunately, he was 73 and decided to sell and close. The local Midas place bought his garage and I won't be going to Midas. I will probably get another floor jack and do the rotating on my own. It just isn't worth it to me to schedule a day off from work to get a car in for an appointment for an oil change and a tire rotation.

Thank-you to everyone on the recommendations. I knew the impact would be too much, but wanted to know how others did it.

Most of the Mopar FSM I've read suggest 55 Ft. Lbs. torque on the cars with 1/2x20 wheel studs, not 70 or 80 ft. lbs.
My Pace race car trailer calls for 80 Ft Lbs. on the same size wheel studs with six lug studs

Discount Tire kid hit my 47lb Geo Metro studs with an air gun and buggered half the threads before I saw and yelled at the manager.
B3500 takes 80lbs
M375 is 450

I can NOT IMAGINE a guy working at a tire place using a torque wrench .....

PROPERLY and progressively torquing down each and every wheel

Me too - 100 ft.lbs alloy or steel.

If you are in Michigan and rotate your tires they are no longer required to tighten your lugnuts...

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...not-guaranteed-tire-rotation/4101005002/

As wheels/rotors/liability become more costly, you will see it everywhere! The new stuff(wheels/tires/hubs/abs/esc/etc) are no joke! F the torque up and it comes back in a big way!!

i work in a new car dealer bodyshop.
i get a lot of cars with those tuner splined lug nuts. i use a torque wrench when tightening them. i cracked the key once 5 or so years ago when tightening with a impact and torque stick.

The wal Mart tire center in Carlisle requires its employees to sign off on a waiver that they did re torque all wheels with a torque wrench. From what I heard years ago, someone got right on the highway from leaving and one of their wheels came off at expressway speeds.

I have the tools and the know how to do it myself but I always get tires rotated at Discount tire.

With the new covid rules they don't even make you get out of your car. My son and I took my wife's 18 Durango R/T for a rotate and balance a few weeks ago. We sat in the car and they did the whole job in TWELVE MINUTES that is rotate and balance and torque the wheels with a torque wrench. Our total time on the property was probably 15 minutes.

Caution: language for the tender-eared.
The wheel fell off!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHT84A5t418

Remember the grief oleham gave me when the lug nuts loosened up on the Caravan when I was headed out to Massachusetts?

Now known as the 3 wheeled Carrotvan...

The drive tires will always wear out quicker than the non drive tires on everything that is not full time 4 wheel drive, they do all the work
Use to be before radials tires where built good enough to go over 20,000 miles it was a wash on which tires would wear out first if you didn't rotate them every 5000 miles, now with tires that are made to last over 40,000 miles+ you should have them rotated as often as possible around 5,000 to 7,500 miles to get the most bang for your dollars

seaBEE ... does your memory go back far enuff to remember the lug T spec ....

On Roman chariot wheels ?

I sea oleham2 aka mopX lurking here ...

Maybe HE HAS those chariot lug specs handy

the standard torque value for ALL fasteners is : tighten until it strips or breaks, then back off 1/2 turn.......................

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