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Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm #2890951 02/20/21 12:01 PM 02/20/21 12:01 PM
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not_a_charger OP Mr. Big Shot Moparts Moderator Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 19,953 Puttin' on the foil in Charles...	She and her family live in Mississippi. The roof of their 60x60 shop collapsed, and the beam landed directly on her 57. The truck was just completed 2 weeks ago. Her husband's C10 (his grandfather is the original owner) had the roof land on it, but it only resulted in a 2 inch scratch to the paint, thankfully. Her husband also runs a custom parts/accessories business out of this building, so the impact is greater than just the damage to their personal property. Earning every penny of that moderator paycheck. DBAP

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: not_a_charger] #2890954 02/20/21 12:07 PM 02/20/21 12:07 PM
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topside Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,815 A collage of whims	Damn, that's grim. Hopefully all can be repaired, but it still sucks. For a long time. Saw a photo of a kitchen in Houston: a solid ice "waterfall" from roof to floor, a couple feet in diameter. Nothing compared to that shop, though.

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: topside] #2890956 02/20/21 12:09 PM 02/20/21 12:09 PM
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Stanton Don't question me! S Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,881 Ontario, Canada	I'd hazzard a guess that that was not an engineered building. Just out of curiosity, where's the beam that's supposed to be supporting that I-beam ?? And roof trusses on what, 4-foot centers ?!?! Storing $100k vehicles in $100 sheds ... you kinda deserve whatever ya get !!

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: Stanton] #2890960 02/20/21 12:15 PM 02/20/21 12:15 PM
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Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: not_a_charger] #2890963 02/20/21 12:20 PM 02/20/21 12:20 PM
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azblackhemi super stock A Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,096 Waddell AZ	What a shame. Since she's a co worker of yours I assume being in the insurance business it was properly insured. I sure hope so.

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: not_a_charger] #2890964 02/20/21 12:21 PM 02/20/21 12:21 PM
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Mastershake340 master Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 8,341 Crook County, ILL	Man that sucks. Can a new roof be grafted on to repair the truck or is it totaled? A canopy or breezeway at the entrance of a business collapsed in Chicago the other day under the weight of the snow, killed a guy standing outside the door having a smoke.

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: Mastershake340] #2890965 02/20/21 12:22 PM 02/20/21 12:22 PM
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not_a_charger OP Mr. Big Shot Moparts Moderator Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 19,953 Puttin' on the foil in Charles...	Truck is insured. Her husband and her father in law are very talented/skilled car builders, so I have no doubt it will get fixed. Earning every penny of that moderator paycheck. DBAP

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: not_a_charger] #2890966 02/20/21 12:25 PM 02/20/21 12:25 PM
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Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: not_a_charger] #2890989 02/20/21 12:59 PM 02/20/21 12:59 PM
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DrCharles master Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 4,220 West Plains, MO	That's sad. I hate to see a restored classic damaged like that... I wonder what caused the roof failure (other than overload of course)? The end of that I-beam looks like a poorly penetrated weld on the plate (and maybe the end of the beam too)?

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: Mastershake340] #2890990 02/20/21 01:00 PM 02/20/21 01:00 PM
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klunick master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 3,318 Southern Maryland	I'm thinking that can be rebuilt with a donor. Just a point, take a look at that beam. Does that not look like the beam actually snapped? 67 Barracuda FB 69 Superbee "Southern Maryland: If you want a good looking woman, you had better bring her with you"

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: DrCharles] #2890992 02/20/21 01:00 PM 02/20/21 01:00 PM
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not_a_charger OP Mr. Big Shot Moparts Moderator Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 19,953 Puttin' on the foil in Charles...	Yeah, the weld appears to be a concern. Regardless, I doubt that codes in MS are similar to codes in the Northeast/Midwest, because how often do they get snow like this? Earning every penny of that moderator paycheck. DBAP

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: not_a_charger] #2891002 02/20/21 01:09 PM 02/20/21 01:09 PM
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ChryCoGuy master C Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,321 o	Wow, man that's too bad. Especially after just finishing it... geez. At least it sounds like they will be capable of fixing it again, but it sure would be hard to have to re-do something that was just done.

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: ChryCoGuy] #2891018 02/20/21 01:28 PM 02/20/21 01:28 PM
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Moparite super stock M Joined: Jan 2021 Posts: 993 rust belt	Quote I'd hazzard a guess that that was not an engineered building. Just out of curiosity, where's the beam that's supposed to be supporting that I-beam ?? I'm not the only one who noticed this! If you look at the end of the "I" beam it look like somebody welded a plate on the inside. This is not the way to weld I beams together. Back yard builders probably. Hopefully either the vehicle or homeowners insurance will cover it. And have somebody skilled rebuild the roof.

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: ChryCoGuy] #2891019 02/20/21 01:29 PM 02/20/21 01:29 PM
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justinp61 I Live Here Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 11,684 W. Kentucky	Sad to see a beautiful ride like this. I'd be willing to guess it's a home built building. It appears that the rafter was spliced with a scab plate welded to it and the weld failed.

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: justinp61] #2891020 02/20/21 01:31 PM 02/20/21 01:31 PM
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Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: not_a_charger] #2891024 02/20/21 01:42 PM 02/20/21 01:42 PM
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TJP I Live Here T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,424 Omaha Ne	Any idea how much accumulated snow was on the roof ?? Bummer and glad it was insured www.tandmautomotive-omaha.com

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: not_a_charger] #2891030 02/20/21 01:59 PM 02/20/21 01:59 PM
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justinp61 I Live Here Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 11,684 W. Kentucky	Originally Posted by not_a_charger They did not build the building themselves. I'd be having a conversation with my contractor then.

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: Moparite] #2891110 02/20/21 04:10 PM 02/20/21 04:10 PM
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3hundred I Live Here Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 10,228 Colleyville	Originally Posted by Moparite Quote I'd hazzard a guess that that was not an engineered building. Just out of curiosity, where's the beam that's supposed to be supporting that I-beam ?? I'm not the only one who noticed this! If you look at the end of the "I" beam it look like somebody welded a plate on the inside. This is not the way to weld I beams together. Back yard builders probably. Hopefully either the vehicle or homeowners insurance will cover it. And have somebody skilled rebuild the roof. IMHO as a structural steel fabricator, this was not a complete (PEMB) pre-engineered building kit. Somebody went to MBCI, Mueller Supply or similar and bought purlins, panels and other components and pieced something together. From what I can make out, looks like really crappy workmanship. I don't know if Mississippi has contractor licensing, whether this area requires building permits or whatever else that would give at least an illusion of competence here. If nothing else works out they could roll the dice on a lawsuit. 2¢ '68 Fury Convertible '69 300 Convertible '15 Durango 5.7 Hemi '16 300 S Hemi

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: justinp61] #2891116 02/20/21 04:14 PM 02/20/21 04:14 PM
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Hemi_Joel master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,495 Minnesota	That's really sad that that happened. Hopefully they can get that truck fixed and get their shed rebuilt. About 20 or 25 years ago, a guy in our car club had his entire collection of really nice cars severely damaged when his pole barn collapsed under a heavy snow load. The issue there was that overhanging trees had caused an accumulation of sap on the metal roof panels, which made it sticky, so the ice and snow didn't slide off easily, leading to a heavy buildup. At least that's what he said afterwards. Because of that, I watch my pole barn roof very carefully. If I get a foot of snow up there I have the roofers come out and shovel it off. Not worth the risk of leaving snow up there. [img]http://i.imgur.com/boeexFms.jpg[/img] 31 Plymouth Coupe, 392 Hemi, T56 magnum RS23J71 RS27J77 RP23J71 RO23J71 WM21J8A I don't regret the things I've done. I only regret the things I didn't do. "Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something. ~ Plato"

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: Hemi_Joel] #2891151 02/20/21 05:26 PM 02/20/21 05:26 PM
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5thAve Doesn't care what this says anyway 5 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,153 Canada -- Posts: 4034 -Registe...	That sucks. I was going to say that beam looks like it had a plate welded to it. I'm guessing there is probably a lot of problems like that in areas where freak storms come along.

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: 5thAve] #2891227 02/20/21 09:42 PM 02/20/21 09:42 PM
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maxie master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 7,063 Indiana	seams odd to me that the grooves in the roof panels are not running in a direction that would allow the water/snow to drain down off the roof. Looks as if the stuff would lock into the grooves running right to left instead of top to bottom.

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: maxie] #2891245 02/20/21 10:38 PM 02/20/21 10:38 PM
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Jer super stock J Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,118 Rochester NY	Originally Posted by maxie seams odd to me that the grooves in the roof panels are not running in a direction that would allow the water/snow to drain down off the roof. Looks as if the stuff would lock into the grooves running right to left instead of top to bottom. There is SOOO much wrong with the construction of that building. It was not a kit, as they generally have things like instructions and diagrams and the proper parts to put it together. This was clearly put together by someone who had no clue what they were doing. Sad about the truck but all they had to do was simply look UP and see the serious and obvious issues with that building and they wouldn't have parked it there...or even worked in that mess.

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: maxie] #2891247 02/20/21 10:43 PM 02/20/21 10:43 PM
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3hundred I Live Here Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 10,228 Colleyville	Structurally that's the way they have to span. That and other clues led me to believe the design work was done by SRE, Southern Redneck Engineering, I've seen their work before. '68 Fury Convertible '69 300 Convertible '15 Durango 5.7 Hemi '16 300 S Hemi

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: Jer] #2891249 02/20/21 10:48 PM 02/20/21 10:48 PM
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Sniper master S Joined: May 2019 Posts: 6,289 nowhere	Originally Posted by Jer There is SOOO much wrong with the construction of that building. It was not a kit, as they generally have things like instructions and diagrams and the proper parts to put it together. This was clearly put together by someone who had no clue what they were doing. Sad about the truck but all they had to do was simply look UP and see the serious and obvious issues with that building and they wouldn't have parked it there...or even worked in that mess. I don't disagree with anything said and would like to point out that too many people do not enough of a basic foundation of knowledge to see the issues even if they looked up, which is why too many things like this get hired out to incompetent "experts" that talk a good game.

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: TJP] #2891268 02/20/21 11:58 PM 02/20/21 11:58 PM
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Dcuda69 master Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 4,954 WI	Originally Posted by TJP Any idea how much accumulated snow was on the roof ?? Bummer and glad it was insured I agree!! How much snow?? We currently have a couple feet of snow on the ground/buildings. I haven't seen anything about any roof collapses etc.I know they don't build for snow load down south but I gotta think a well built building would easily deal with 6 or more inches of snow load. Is this more snow than that? I also agree that the roof panels appear to be running in the wrong direction and that is a BIG beam to fail under snow load of any size. Lots of questions here. Hope they get everything handled....looked like a great truck!! Last edited by Dcuda69; 02/20/21 11:59 PM.

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: Dcuda69] #2891349 02/21/21 10:22 AM 02/21/21 10:22 AM
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Stanton Don't question me! S Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,881 Ontario, Canada	Well as long as we're on that topic ... WHERE IS THE SNOW ?!?!?!? Did they wait for it all to melt before taking the photo? If there was that much exposure you couldn't get enough heat in the building to melt it. So where is it ????

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: Stanton] #2891357 02/21/21 10:36 AM 02/21/21 10:36 AM
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Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: not_a_charger] #2891385 02/21/21 11:17 AM 02/21/21 11:17 AM
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Rhinodart Rhinotruck Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,579 Round Lake Beach, Illinoisy	Yes it sucks, but that is what insurance is for, and that is nothing compared to "losing" a car in a fire. That truck is easily repaired, half of it can still be used! Don't try this at home, though the guy I sold it to had it back on the road the next year... The funny thing about science is that if you change one miniscule parameter you change the entire outcome to the way you want it. JB Rhinehart, Realist A-Body's RULE!

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: Rhinodart] #2891389 02/21/21 11:20 AM 02/21/21 11:20 AM
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Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: 3hundred] #2891481 02/21/21 01:50 PM 02/21/21 01:50 PM
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Rhinodart Rhinotruck Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,579 Round Lake Beach, Illinoisy	Originally Posted by 3hundred The Transam got saved? Yes, I put it on Craigslist and got a reply almost immediately. He was in the next town over and wanted to see it right away. Only question he has was if I had the build sheet and did it say Y88 on it, which it did, Gold Edition SE with T-Tops. By the time I delivered it he already had a gold parts car in his driveway! He was a true late 70's Pontiac guy as he had a 77 Can Am in the garage... The funny thing about science is that if you change one miniscule parameter you change the entire outcome to the way you want it. JB Rhinehart, Realist A-Body's RULE!

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: not_a_charger] #2891547 02/21/21 04:19 PM 02/21/21 04:19 PM
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fourgearsavoy I Live Here Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,555 Rittman Ohio	Originally Posted by not_a_charger Truck is insured. Her husband and her father in law are very talented/skilled car builders, so I have no doubt it will get fixed. Sounds like the perfect opportunity to take a 2" chop from the roof Lemonade from lemons I'm an eternal optimist, sometimes Gus 64 Plymouth Savoy 493 Indy EZ's by Nick at Compu-Flow 5-Speed Richmond faceplate Liberty box Dana 60

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: not_a_charger] #2892084 02/23/21 01:53 AM 02/23/21 01:53 AM
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AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,050 Oregon	There appears to be something really wrong with the design and/or fab of the buildings roof. If your co-worker has any other buildings on her property built by the same guy she should have them inspected immediately. My guess is that some really shoddy work was performed on that building.

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: AndyF] #2892090 02/23/21 03:31 AM 02/23/21 03:31 AM
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jughed pro stock J Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,229 In The Hills	Sorry to see that happen, but I do agree with every comment that the building was so poorly built. Especially the first one... Originally Posted by Stanton I'd hazzard a guess that that was not an engineered building. Just out of curiosity, where's the beam that's supposed to be supporting that I-beam ?? And roof trusses on what, 4-foot centers ?!?! Storing $100k vehicles in $100 sheds ... you kinda deserve whatever ya get !! and this one had me rolling. "SRE"...hilarious Originally Posted by 3hundred Structurally that's the way they have to span. That and other clues led me to believe the design work was done by SRE, Southern Redneck Engineering, I've seen their work before. This country isn't (yet) a 3rd world dump, so don't be cheap when it comes to building any structures. Code, or no code. End those annoying Infolink ads with AdBlockPlus https://adblockplus.org/

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: maxie] #2892155 02/23/21 10:35 AM 02/23/21 10:35 AM
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justinp61 I Live Here Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 11,684 W. Kentucky	Originally Posted by maxie seams odd to me that the grooves in the roof panels are not running in a direction that would allow the water/snow to drain down off the roof. Looks as if the stuff would lock into the grooves running right to left instead of top to bottom. I don't think the roof metal is running the wrong way. The purlings are running parallel to the side wall with the roof metal perpendicular to it. It appears to me that a splice in the rafter failed and the roof colapsed.

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: justinp61] #2892178 02/23/21 11:06 AM 02/23/21 11:06 AM
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wingman Uncreative Title Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,385 St. Charles, MO	Originally Posted by justinp61 Originally Posted by maxie seams odd to me that the grooves in the roof panels are not running in a direction that would allow the water/snow to drain down off the roof. Looks as if the stuff would lock into the grooves running right to left instead of top to bottom. I don't think the roof metal is running the wrong way. The purlings are running parallel to the side wall with the roof metal perpendicular to it. It appears to me that a splice in the rafter failed and the roof colapsed. I don't even see any purlins? It looks like the sheet metal is supported directly by the rafters, which is why they had to run the sheet metal grooves horizontally (which is wrong). If they had the correct purlins in place running horizontally between the rafters, then they could have run the sheet metal vertically on top of the purlins. This allows the rain and snow to drain off as it should. As others have said, there are several issues with the way that roof was built that contributed to the accident. Last edited by wingman; 02/23/21 11:20 AM. 1969 Dodge Coronet Super Bee 383 A4 1970 Plymouth Road Runner 440 FC7 (sold)

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: wingman] #2892220 02/23/21 12:37 PM 02/23/21 12:37 PM
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AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,050 Oregon	The I beam appears to be fractured which is a very odd failure for a beam that large. Steel beams that size don't usually fracture when overloaded, they typically bend and yield. The fracture seems to indicate that the beam was either made from very low quality steel or perhaps it was damaged at some point. Maybe poor welding or someone used a torch to bend it or something? I really can't say just based on a picture but if I was hired to figure out what happened to the building I'd start with that fracture. Kind of looks like the old Liberty ship brittle fracture issue. Back in WWII there were a bunch of brittle fractures that sunk or damaged the Liberty ships. The issue was poor quality steel and poor welding practices. The steel became brittle in cold weather and the hulls would crack open. Possibly the same defect that caused the Titanic to crack open. Those kinds of problems aren't supposed to still be around these days since steel mfgs know better and welders are supposed to know better. So kind of scary to see that fracture. Last edited by AndyF; 02/23/21 01:41 PM.

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: AndyF] #2892312 02/23/21 03:15 PM 02/23/21 03:15 PM
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bobby66 master B Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,813 Arlington, Texas	Damn shame about the truck. Hope they get it fixed.

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: wingman] #2892339 02/23/21 04:08 PM 02/23/21 04:08 PM
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justinp61 I Live Here Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 11,684 W. Kentucky	Originally Posted by wingman Originally Posted by justinp61 Originally Posted by maxie seams odd to me that the grooves in the roof panels are not running in a direction that would allow the water/snow to drain down off the roof. Looks as if the stuff would lock into the grooves running right to left instead of top to bottom. I don't think the roof metal is running the wrong way. The purlings are running parallel to the side wall with the roof metal perpendicular to it. It appears to me that a splice in the rafter failed and the roof colapsed. I don't even see any purlins? It looks like the sheet metal is supported directly by the rafters, which is why they had to run the sheet metal grooves horizontally (which is wrong). If they had the correct purlins in place running horizontally between the rafters, then they could have run the sheet metal vertically on top of the purlins. This allows the rain and snow to drain off as it should. As others have said, there are several issues with the way that roof was built that contributed to the accident. If that overhead door is on the a side wall what you are calling rafters are the purlings and the beam that was scabbed and broke is the rafter. Without more pbotos its almost impossible to know.

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: justinp61] #2892344 02/23/21 04:13 PM 02/23/21 04:13 PM
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Mr PotatoHead Half Baked Joined: Aug 2019 Posts: 9,509 Super Spudsville	I got to say thats heartbreaking, glad no life was lost. No one builds anything with plans of it falling down, unfortunate. STOP POTATO HATE!

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: AndyF] #2892537 02/24/21 01:57 AM 02/24/21 01:57 AM
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5thAve Doesn't care what this says anyway 5 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,153 Canada -- Posts: 4034 -Registe...	Originally Posted by AndyF The I beam appears to be fractured which is a very odd failure for a beam that large. Steel beams that size don't usually fracture when overloaded, they typically bend and yield. The fracture seems to indicate that the beam was either made from very low quality steel or perhaps it was damaged at some point. Maybe poor welding or someone used a torch to bend it or something? I really can't say just based on a picture but if I was hired to figure out what happened to the building I'd start with that fracture. Kind of looks like the old Liberty ship brittle fracture issue. Back in WWII there were a bunch of brittle fractures that sunk or damaged the Liberty ships. The issue was poor quality steel and poor welding practices. The steel became brittle in cold weather and the hulls would crack open. Possibly the same defect that caused the Titanic to crack open. Those kinds of problems aren't supposed to still be around these days since steel mfgs know better and welders are supposed to know better. So kind of scary to see that fracture. The end of the beam has marks on it that make it look like it was existing and had a plate welded on it.

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: 5thAve] #2893264 02/26/21 12:38 AM 02/26/21 12:38 AM
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AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,050 Oregon	Originally Posted by 5thAve The end of the beam has marks on it that make it look like it was existing and had a plate welded on it. It looked to me like the end of the beam fractured but it could also be that the end of the beam was cut with a torch and that it was held in place with a bracket welded across the middle. That would be a very, very crude way to build a building but I suppose it is possible. Hard to say without being there and looking at stuff. We only one one picture and it isn't that clear so I'm not jumping to a conclusion. Just saying that if a person wanted to know why it failed they should start by looking at the I beam.

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: AndyF] #2893411 02/26/21 03:15 PM 02/26/21 03:15 PM
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BIGGERED Reasonable Title B Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,497 North East USA	Quick Google search shows some areas of Mississippi received 6" of snow, I'm assuming it began and ended as ice?

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: BIGGERED] #2893451 02/26/21 04:32 PM 02/26/21 04:32 PM
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HemiRick master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,848 Memphis	In Memphis there was an ice storm Thurs followed by 11 inches of snow......My carport is the most rickety thing in the world, I thought for sure the snow would mess it up....It survived fine.....That garage beam must have had a very questionable no penetration weld. Take care, Rick 68 Coronet R/T 440 & 68 Charger 528 Hemi,and 5 Challengers! 6 cyl, 318, 360, 383, 451

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: 5thAve] #2893477 02/26/21 06:26 PM 02/26/21 06:26 PM
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ink mopar I Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 404 IL us	yep doesn't look like it was setting on any bearing .

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: ink] #2893510 02/26/21 08:38 PM 02/26/21 08:38 PM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,881 Ontario, Canada S Stanton Don't question me!
Stanton Don't question me! S Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,881 Ontario, Canada	Quote This country isn't (yet) a 3rd world dump, so don't be cheap when it comes to building any structures. Code, or no code. I find this comment hilarious ... in a country where mobile homes and trailer parks reign supreme !!

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: Stanton] #2893512 02/26/21 08:47 PM 02/26/21 08:47 PM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,881 Ontario, Canada S Stanton Don't question me!
Stanton Don't question me! S Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,881 Ontario, Canada	So I don't know if you guys have "tempos" down there but up here in the great white north just about everyone has one - thin tube framework covered with a tarp. They will take anything winter can throw at them and they don't collapse. So ya really gotta wonder just how poorly build that shop was !!!

Re: Co-worker loses her 57 due to the snow storm [Re: Stanton] #2893534 02/26/21 09:55 PM 02/26/21 09:55 PM
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Sniper master S Joined: May 2019 Posts: 6,289 nowhere	Originally Posted by Stanton Quote This country isn't (yet) a 3rd world dump, so don't be cheap when it comes to building any structures. Code, or no code. I find this comment hilarious ... in a country where mobile homes and trailer parks reign supreme !! That's probably one of the more ignorant statements I've seen on Moparts.

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