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Issues installing Melling HV Oil Pump in Big Block 440 Truck #2832102
10/12/20 09:19 PM
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I wanted to post this here on Moparts & RCC in hopes that it'll be able to be found via searches in the future for the next guy who does what I just finished doing.

I thought that swapping in a Melling HV Oil Pump ( M63HV ) onto a 440 in a 74 Ramcharger would be about as straight forward as doing it in a car and I was WRONG!

Things to consider:

1. The Drivers Side Engine Mount bracket must be removed in order to remove or install an oil pump when the OEM mounts are in use.
2. You WILL need a bolt kit (same is true for the installation in a car) and it's easier to order an ARP, Mancini, 440Source, or wherever bolt kit before hand than going to the hardware store and cutting bolts down to fit (like I did)
3. The Drivers Side Engine Mount Bracket will have to be modified to clear the HV pump.

These are some of the hurdles I came across today. I did a ton of searching online before installing the high volume oil pump since I had never done one before and had no idea what to expect, and from talking to people who've swapped them in B-Body's, it was nowhere near as involved as the truck. Even looking at my 70 Coronet R/T, it appears that it'll be much easier swap.

I talked to another guy who's local to me that has and has had big block RC's...He said on his last one with custom motor mounts clearance was a non-issue so I'm thinking this is only when using the OEM motor mounts.

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The Federal Government has not yet learned that you cannot legislate morality 1970 Coronet R/T FF4/FF8/V85/V1G 440/Auto/3.23 1970 Coronet R/T FK5/FK5/V8W/V1W 440/Auto/3.55 1970 Super Bee TX9/TX9/V8W/N96 383/Auto/3.91 1975 Duster 360 VS29L5 Daily Driver
Re: Issues installing Melling HV Oil Pump in Big Block 440 Truck [Re: shanker] #2832114
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So the Melling has a bigger housing than a factory pump?


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Re: Issues installing Melling HV Oil Pump in Big Block 440 Truck [Re: moparmarks] #2832118
10/12/20 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by moparmarks
So the Melling has a bigger housing than a factory pump?


High volume pumps are bigger. Not in diameter, but height (length?). That's the issue here.


John

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Re: Issues installing Melling HV Oil Pump in Big Block 440 Truck [Re: SattyNoCar] #2832138
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Why did you need to go to the HV pump?

Re: Issues installing Melling HV Oil Pump in Big Block 440 Truck [Re: stumpy] #2832159
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Originally Posted by stumpy
Why did you need to go to the HV pump?


the truck has some miles on it. I was already right there putting in a double roller timing chain and had the HV pump new in box sitting on a shelf. The guy that got me into Mopar's suggested that there is never a reason to not run one.


The Federal Government has not yet learned that you cannot legislate morality 1970 Coronet R/T FF4/FF8/V85/V1G 440/Auto/3.23 1970 Coronet R/T FK5/FK5/V8W/V1W 440/Auto/3.55 1970 Super Bee TX9/TX9/V8W/N96 383/Auto/3.91 1975 Duster 360 VS29L5 Daily Driver
Re: Issues installing Melling HV Oil Pump in Big Block 440 Truck [Re: shanker] #2832217
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Originally Posted by shanker
Originally Posted by stumpy
Why did you need to go to the HV pump?


the truck has some miles on it. I was already right there putting in a double roller timing chain and had the HV pump new in box sitting on a shelf. The guy that got me into Mopar's suggested that there is never a reason to not run one.


And you have now just learned first hand one of the reasons why that is just a wive's tale. twocents

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Re: Issues installing Melling HV Oil Pump in Big Block 440 Truck [Re: Twostick] #2832220
10/13/20 09:18 AM
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BB Chevys came from the factory with HV pumps but they needed them.
Stock BB Mopars don't.


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Re: Issues installing Melling HV Oil Pump in Big Block 440 Truck [Re: SattyNoCar] #2832318
10/13/20 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Satilite73


High volume pumps are bigger. Not in diameter, but height (length?). That's the issue here.


Yeah, by 1/4"...should be able to elongate the hole in the bracket.


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