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Re: HEMI engine swap tech help [Re: DodgeCharger] #28191
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I have the TTI 2 1/8" headers and power steering and they fit well, no dimpling needed. I am using mounts similar to the Aruzza mounts.

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Thanks DodgeCharger
I would make my own Positive battery cable before I spend 200.00 on one. I was planning on using the stock power steering box since I have already bought a new one from year one. It's sounding more and more like I need to just stay away from the TTI headers and use thew factory exhaust manifolds to avoid a lot of headaches. Unless someone can convince me that the 2 1/8 tubes will work with Hemi torsion bars, mini starter, stock power steering and everything else.
What exhaust manifolds did you end up using?
Thanks for your good advise DodgeCharger

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You say similar to the Aruzza mounts..will you share what type they are and where I might purchase some..Are they solid or insulated?
I see your in Puyallup..I live in Cle Elum
Bob Jack

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I bought my driver's side mount from Chrysler Power magazine. It is a solid mount. I drilled the mounting bosses on the passenger side of the block and used a stock 440 mount on that side. The Aruzza driver's side mount is almost identical to mine. The passenger side mount he sells is better because it bolts to the block where the hemi mounts bolt. I tried the Schumacher mounts on my car and they raised the engine and caused some hood clearance problems for me. I am running a 3" oval air cleaner element though.

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Re: HEMI engine swap tech help [Re: Hemi_Jack] #28195
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I have the TTI 2 1/8" headers and power steering and they fit well, no dimpling needed. I am using mounts similar to the Aruzza mounts.




I could get the 2 1/4" on the car but they were touching the steering box. I could see where the 2 1/8" would just give you enough clearance. The hemi fits in that tight that if your motor mounts give you 1/8" or more over to the passenger side it would make a huge difference. But then you can not run the big valve covers like the Barton covers or they will hit the passenger side shock tower.
I actually got a custom set of headers built for my car. We have a guy about an hour away that builds super stock headers for a lot of the hemi cars. Maybe you have someone in your area.He custom built them so that they can be installed without jacking up the engine.
It only cost about $150 more than the coated TTI's
If you intend to put a trans sheild under your car the placement left to right is critical. My engine is centered perfectly with the trans tunnel and my CSR trans sheild just barely fits.
Hopefully all this information helps in your project. I had to learn a lot from trial and error.

Re: HEMI engine swap tech help [Re: Hemi_Jack] #28196
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A shot of the A/C blower motor I had to modify. Actually I had to remove the valve cover to install the blower motor. Yes I did have to grind the block some to fit a mini starter into a stock 4 speed aluminum (####513 I think) bellhousing. I am running the Schumacher mounts. I shimmed them over to the drivers side. I cut a slice out of the shock tower with the engine installed. Worked through the fenderwell and welded a reverse slice back into the hole. I have Stage V magnesium covers. DO NOT CONFUSE THE CLEARANCE ISSUES OF THE COVERS WITH THE DESIGN OF THE HEADS!!! The heads are excellent!!! You can use stock covers with these heads. The newer ones, like mine, have 1 bolt hole in the right end of the heads. The problems requiring these "larger" covers is the exhaust valve retainers. It is my understanding the factory retainers were smaller in diameter. When "hopping up" the valve train using larger retainers will provider a larger selection in valve springs. That's why you occasionally find steel or sheet aluminum covers for sale that have been hammered on for clearance of the retainers. There are also raised port units which I have no clue about. My TTI's (2 1/8 tubes) fit without any problems. I fit the M.P. fan package on mine without a shroud...have heating issues... If you do not use the thick "Hemi" balancer (which you certainly do not have to) you can use regular B or R/B stuff. I used a GM 1 wire alternator W/factory B R/B alternator brackets. I used the stock throttle cable with a little "extender" to reach the front carb on the Stage V intake setup. Required the same extender for a Rat Roaster intake I had on it first. Made a flat air cleaner base (raised a little to clear the float adjusters) and used a stock oval lid and "stock" K&N air filter to clear my T/A style hood.
Curt

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Re: HEMI engine swap tech help [Re: Curt] #28197
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A shot of the "wedge" removed...Before the wedge was removed I had about 1/4 to 3/8 inch clearance...I was afraid of cracking the valve cover. Oh yeah...I have power steering as well
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Re: HEMI engine swap tech help [Re: Curt] #28198
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Kinda cheesy on the heater hose installation... I could not find a formed hose to work...Stock heater control cable, NAPA (I think) heater control valve.

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Re: HEMI engine swap tech help [Re: Curt] #28199
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You can see here that the heads are really NOT a clearance issue
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Re: HEMI engine swap tech help [Re: Curt] #28200
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Curt,
These are some great pictures..They sure help a lot to see how this goes together. I am not really into the massive horse power seen so a nice 426 Hemi without any stage V..automatic trans..slap stick and a posi will do just fine. I would like to use the TTI headers with a mini starter as long as I don't need to do any grinding on my new Hemi. It sounds like I may be able to use the 2 1/8 TTI headers and mini starter as long as I use the 727 ??
Thanks for your good information
Bob Jack

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Grinding is really not a big deal...Just test fit the engine/trans/starter before installation. The only thing is touching up the paint on the block. I believe there has been a few different variations of these blocks so you may not have any problem. The only REAL STRONG recommendation I would make is have the engine broken in and tuned on a dyno BEFORE you install it. Who cares how much power you make? What makes it worth the money is proper cam/lifter break in...proper ring break in. There is no fear of washing out the engine and ruining the piston rings...No fear of going lean and resulting engine damage the first time you stand on it. These angines are NOT cheap...percentage wise the Dyno cost is not significant...compare that to your health insurance cost each month.
Curt

Oh yeah...I am not talking "run in on an engine stand" like some builders do..Don't let the engine builder talk you out of it (John Arruzza).


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Re: HEMI engine swap tech help [Re: Curt] #28202
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i have a crate motor , 426 , if you buy one , buy a gasket set and have it disassembled and checked by a comptent shop that knows hemis . unless something has changed the valves springs and retainers are a problem as are the head gaskets ...

seriously , buy the parts and build one from scratch .

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Oh My!! I guess everyone with a Hemi has had these problems?

Re: HEMI engine swap tech help [Re: JohnRR] #28204
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You can use Stage V heads with stock valve covers. Here's my little 650 hp elephant that Tim Banning sent to me.

The Stage V heads are cheaper than the MP iron heads and flow better.



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Very nice 650 hp elephant 69 road runner. I see your project is in the same state as my Cuda, looks good!
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with Cobra. I am thinking of the same combo in my 70 Challenger. Not so much interested in the bigger HP numbers. 475 Hp is fine. I would like to run my power steering, PB and the A/C though.....if I can find room for the smaller compressor unit underneath, on top? hell somewhere.....

Re: HEMI engine swap tech help [Re: gomangoRTSE] #28207
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i have an arruzza motor and he does run them on a test stand, drains the oil, retorques the heads and sets the valves and timing and breaks in the cam, what he doesnt do is put the engine under a dyno load, no need to if it isnt a full on race motor, now not to start a big argument here but, it really doesnt make sense to me to dyno load a brand new motor? his combination of parts, head works, cam, compression ratio etc have know h.p and torque levels, so no need to dyno load the motor, i also have a banning engine as well, i specifically requested no dyno load on the motor, engine was broken in on the test stand, oil changed, timing set and sent to me, both engines started with the first click of the key and although i only have 300 miles on the banning motor, after a little carb work(jetting and power valving,typical stuff and a bit more timimg)the engine sounds awesome fires right up stays cool, even on a 100 degree day in town, and my install in a 70 cuda was very straight forward, i used the tti 2 1/8 tubes with power sterring, they practically fell into place with no mods,mini starter was simple bolt in easy deal, i did use a sctattershield which did require a very small half moon(hemispherical?) piece of the edge of the scattershield to be removed about the size of a quarter, the clear the tubes, only clearnce problem is on passenger side shock tower, which is undectectable at any rpm, used arruzza mounts, flexible milidon dipstick tube, used stock 440+6 wiring harness, stock 440 pulleys, griffin bolt in aluminum radiator with a shroud that i made,elctric fuel pump, twin holleys, car runs great so far, only 300 miles slight oil seepage from pan( i hate leaks) the arruzza motor went into my charger, hemi k frame hemi mounts etc, power steering power disc brakes, put entire assembly in from underneath, valve covers need to be removed and reinstalled after motor and k frmae are installed too wide for lower section of engine bay, no problems at all after that, charger is stock looking resto, with factory correct bellhousing and linkage, 956 radiator, hemi cluth fan etc etc, arruzza motor was dead on out of the crate very crisp, very responsive, carbs were dead on, ignition very close, car only has a few miles on it yet so can not really compare the two as to performance but they should be real stormers i am sure, the ebody swap is pretty simple i do agree on the staement of prerunning the motor on a test stand before install if it is a factory crate or a tear down and reassembly but the test run would be real cool and offer much more info. the stock 727 will bolt up and work fine if it is in good working condition, all your factory linkage will work with out any modification and the correct kickdown linkage is available through Newcombs Hemispherical parts( if hes still around?)if your car has factory a/c you should be able to make it work with the new smaller compact compressors, pretty straight forward swap with out alot of problems, just takes a little patience, and alot of money!

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Re: HEMI engine swap tech help [Re: metalgod] #28208
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oh yeah something else i do not know what valve covers the crate motors come with but the factory original hemi covers had a large dished section on the front section of the drivers side front cover this was needed to clear to battery and battery tray, if the crate motors have this set up your ok, but with my charger i used the stage 5 covers and modified them to look like factory 70 covers but without the dished area, any way what i needed to do sice i wanted a factory looking engine compartment in the charger was re configure the battery tray, shorten it and move it forward and just use a samller high powered battery with a topper on it with red caps looks pretty good no one has called me on it yet, so if you have battery tray clearnce problem you may want to put it in the trunk for underhood room, just an idea

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I should add that Tim used 2 valve cover gaskets for the stock covers to get them to clear the valvetrain.


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I put a Hemi in my 69 B body this weekend, aluminum heads, and as previously mentioned, clearance on the passenger side shock tower is minimal. Using schumacher mounts, tti 2-1/8 headers, flaming river steering box, and powermaster ministarter. I dropped the center link to put in the passenger side header, it then went in pretty easily. The driver side is another matter. I didn't trim the pad on the k member like schumacher recommends, and it definitely wouldn't go in last night around the manual steering box. Will be trimming the pad today and seeing what's next. I didn't have any problems clearing the blower motor when dropping the engine in. Originally I was going to install from below, but, after measuring overall width of the engine, I didn't want to remove the valve covers for the install. I did remove the steering column in preparation of installing from below, and to paint it. Glad it's out of the way right now.

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