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Encounter with the Widowmaker #2762836
04/11/20 08:09 PM
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A few weeks back, started noticing chest tightness during my daily stationary bike exercise. As a seasonal (Feb-Mar) asthmatic, I broke out the inhaler and continued to exercise. Then began noticing the same symptoms during my morning walk with the dogs. Uh oh.

Went to see my regular doc. He checked me out, EKG, xray, blood work, no apparent issues. He sked me for a cardiac stress test. Couple nights before the stress test, began experiencing chest discomfort, not quite pain, when laying down to sleep. Off to the ER. Arrive approx 0130 Sunday, 15Mar, and noticed tent nearby with security guard at entry to ER, screening for Covid symptoms. Told him chest discomfort and quickly escorted to ER. They admit me right away and hook up EKG. All normal except high BP, 165/90.

Remain in ER until moved to cardiac floor about 0300. Later that morning they did echo and xray, no significant findings. Cardiac troponin blood test was marginally elevated. Sked me for angiogram on Monday am. After nurse lowered bed to prep for angiogram, with me in supine position, began experiencing chest pain. Gradually got worse until the head portion was raised. Then carted off to cath lab. Cardiologist came in for pre-op and I explained the history, including the supine symptom. Might have been my imagination but looked like his light bulb went on when I mentioned that symptom.

Was mildly sedated during the angiogram, watched the display, but couldn't make any sense about what was going on. At my request, they elevated my upper body during the procedure. As I was returned to my room, I lowered the bed to supine position and virtually held my breath...no pain up

Discovered later cardiologist had placed a 3.5mm x 26mm stent in the Left Anterior Descending (LAD) artery. He said there was 99% blockage. For reference, I'm 71, male, in fairly good condition (resting pulse of 56). No previous major health issues. Back in my 30s I mucked up a knee and chose rehab vice surgery. Since that time I have done daily stationary (and when younger, regular) bicycle workouts, usually for 30-45min. In my 50s I was doing occasional 50mi rides. Cardiologist indicated that degree of LAD blockage is often fatal, hence the "Widowmaker" label. He believed my exercise regimen likely played a role in surviving the blockage.

My advice to those reading this is, regardless of age, work on your aerobic exercises, it may save your life. A direct piece of advice from the cardiologist, there is no such thing as chest tightness or discomfort, treat these symptoms as chest pain and take action. He said he's seen too many heart attacks described as chest discomfort.

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Been there.. I have a pile of stents.. I think its 19 now and 2 major by passes
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5 or 6 stents.I had started to notice a shortness of breath even walking on flat ground. that led to a triple bypass almost 3 years back. Spent 8 weeks in the hospital due to some unexpected events. frown h No more smoking or drinking since wink
The Dr said i would not have made it another 2 weeks without a full blown blockage. Pay attention to your body twocents

Re: Encounter with the Widowmaker [Re: 70runner] #2762853
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A few weeks back, started noticing chest tightness during my daily stationary bike exercise. As a seasonal (Feb-Mar) asthmatic, I broke out the inhaler and continued to exercise. Then began noticing the same symptoms during my morning walk with the dogs


First and foremost, I am so glad you caught the problem in time and now doing well.

I am sure symptoms vary from person to person, but I would like to know...how long did the chest tightness last? Did it come and go while pedaling the bike and walking the dogs? Or did the tightness last until you were at rest?

I have heard many times that it is easy to think it is heartburn or indigestion.

David


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Re: Encounter with the Widowmaker [Re: David1971] #2762863
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Originally Posted by David1971
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A few weeks back, started noticing chest tightness during my daily stationary bike exercise. As a seasonal (Feb-Mar) asthmatic, I broke out the inhaler and continued to exercise. Then began noticing the same symptoms during my morning walk with the dogs


First and foremost, I am so glad you caught the problem in time and now doing well.

I am sure symptoms vary from person to person, but I would like to know...how long did the chest tightness last? Did it come and go while pedaling the bike and walking the dogs? Or did the tightness last until you were at rest?

I have heard many times that it is easy to think it is heartburn or indigestion.

David


The "tightness" would increase as I pedaled the stationary. Where I typically would go 25min, I was experiencing chest pain at 10-12min in. Also, walking up hill. If I stopped either the pain would dissipate.

Heartburn, indigestion, even asthma...many things can produce chest discomfort. Symptoms certainly do vary. In my case, when laying down to sleep and feeling discomfort was the trigger. Each person needs to decide what constitutes an ER visit, but I'd rather be sent home with antacid pills than wait too long. In my case, I was very close to the wait too long threshold.

Re: Encounter with the Widowmaker [Re: TJP] #2762864
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Originally Posted by TJP
5 or 6 stents.I had started to notice a shortness of breath even walking on flat ground. that led to a triple bypass almost 3 years back. Spent 8 weeks in the hospital due to some unexpected events. frown h No more smoking or drinking since wink
The Dr said i would not have made it another 2 weeks without a full blown blockage. Pay attention to your body twocents


Absolutamundo, pay attention. Glad you made it through.

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Glad you are doing well, and good advice for everyone.


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Re: Encounter with the Widowmaker [Re: David1971] #2762874
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Originally Posted by David1971
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A few weeks back, started noticing chest tightness during my daily stationary bike exercise. As a seasonal (Feb-Mar) asthmatic, I broke out the inhaler and continued to exercise. Then began noticing the same symptoms during my morning walk with the dogs


First and foremost, I am so glad you caught the problem in time and now doing well.

I am sure symptoms vary from person to person, but I would like to know...how long did the chest tightness last? Did it come and go while pedaling the bike and walking the dogs? Or did the tightness last until you were at rest?

I have heard many times that it is easy to think it is heartburn or indigestion.

David



The funny part for me.. I would have tightness in my chest during the night laying on my back
and I have had them somewhat lately on the right side of my chest.. I have nitro pills on my
all the time or next to my bed
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Re: Encounter with the Widowmaker [Re: 70runner] #2762930
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Glad to see you dodged a bullet. When I saw this post I thought you had what my wife had. Hypertrophic Cardio Myopathy with obstruction; also known as the widowmaker.

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Originally Posted by 70runner
A few weeks back, started noticing chest tightness during my daily stationary bike exercise. As a seasonal (Feb-Mar) asthmatic, I broke out the inhaler and continued to exercise. Then began noticing the same symptoms during my morning walk with the dogs. Uh oh.

Went to see my regular doc. He checked me out, EKG, xray, blood work, no apparent issues. He sked me for a cardiac stress test. Couple nights before the stress test, began experiencing chest discomfort, not quite pain, when laying down to sleep. Off to the ER. Arrive approx 0130 Sunday, 15Mar, and noticed tent nearby with security guard at entry to ER, screening for Covid symptoms. Told him chest discomfort and quickly escorted to ER. They admit me right away and hook up EKG. All normal except high BP, 165/90.

Remain in ER until moved to cardiac floor about 0300. Later that morning they did echo and xray, no significant findings. Cardiac troponin blood test was marginally elevated. Sked me for angiogram on Monday am. After nurse lowered bed to prep for angiogram, with me in supine position, began experiencing chest pain. Gradually got worse until the head portion was raised. Then carted off to cath lab. Cardiologist came in for pre-op and I explained the history, including the supine symptom. Might have been my imagination but looked like his light bulb went on when I mentioned that symptom.

Was mildly sedated during the angiogram, watched the display, but couldn't make any sense about what was going on. At my request, they elevated my upper body during the procedure. As I was returned to my room, I lowered the bed to supine position and virtually held my breath...no pain up

Discovered later cardiologist had placed a 3.5mm x 26mm stent in the Left Anterior Descending (LAD) artery. He said there was 99% blockage. For reference, I'm 71, male, in fairly good condition (resting pulse of 56). No previous major health issues. Back in my 30s I mucked up a knee and chose rehab vice surgery. Since that time I have done daily stationary (and when younger, regular) bicycle workouts, usually for 30-45min. In my 50s I was doing occasional 50mi rides. Cardiologist indicated that degree of LAD blockage is often fatal, hence the "Widowmaker" label. He believed my exercise regimen likely played a role in surviving the blockage.

My advice to those reading this is, regardless of age, work on your aerobic exercises, it may save your life. A direct piece of advice from the cardiologist, there is no such thing as chest tightness or discomfort, treat these symptoms as chest pain and take action. He said he's seen too many heart attacks described as chest discomfort.



It’s good you followed your gut and got in. The first symptom usually is denial. I too was asymtematic. I too experienced the LAD. Showed no symptoms other than shortness of breath. This went on for several weeks. My wife, being a nurse went in with me for the third visit to my PCP. This time he was going to send me to see a pulmonary doc thinking I was experiencing early onset of COPD. My wife was having none of that. She strongly insisted he get me into a cardiologist. Well, that happened. Went through all the tests and finally got in for the angiogram. The doc went through my wrist. About mid way from the procedure he stopped, got on the phone and talked to the head cardiologist. When he hung up he came over and told me we have three options to fix the problem. Bypass, angioplasty or treat with meds. I told him since he was in there go ahead and fix the problem. As you know the experience is kinda weird. Well, they finished up, doc came over and said I was staying the night and walked out. The next day I was released. On the way home my wife asked me how Ifelt and then in her nurse clinical manner told me what they found. I was 100% blocked in the lower LAD and that she could of been a widow in a matter of seconds. Technically I should of been a goner. Apparently my body adjusted by rerouting the blood via several other smaller arteries. The doc apparently had never seen that before. That’s why ha call my cardiologist for a second opinion.

Anyway, I went on meds with PLAVIX being the main drug to keep things flowing. I now have three stents. It’s two entirely different stories about those experiences.


Oh, by the way, glad you are still with us.

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Re: Encounter with the Widowmaker [Re: 70runner] #2762978
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Well you joined the club, stay on any meds, and follow any diet suggestions, and keep active, glad to hear your still here and fit for duty smile

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Glad they caught it.

I have 3 stents
I am 56 and considered myself in excellent condition.

My blockages were discovered because I had AFIB and they decided to scope me out.

I never had any symptoms (no chest pain or shortage of breath)
I was working out 5 times a week. Cardio and weights.

I am sure glad they found out because one day you are here one day you are not.

I was told a lot of this could have been hereditary. My Dad had several bypasses and heart issues prior to his death. He lived until age 74.
My brother has 1 stent, he is 57 and in good shape.

I probably need to watch my diet better too.


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Originally Posted by 70runner
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5 or 6 stents.I had started to notice a shortness of breath even walking on flat ground. that led to a triple bypass almost 3 years back. Spent 8 weeks in the hospital due to some unexpected events. frown h No more smoking or drinking since wink
The Dr said i would not have made it another 2 weeks without a full blown blockage. Pay attention to your body twocents


Absolutamundo, pay attention. Glad you made it through.


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Glad you made it and yes, you were lucky. Excellent advice also. up
My younger-by-21 months brother was having really bad chest pain but was going to ignore it. Fortunately his daughter had stayed home from work. She noticed how bad he looked and drove him to the hospital about 4 mi. away. They took him to surgery immediately. Doctor told him he had the "Widowmaker" and was extremely lucky that his daughter got him to the hospital so quickly. Told him he probably wouldn't have made it through the night. frown

Several years ago I had some chest pain one evening that was getting worse the longer I sat there. Started getting bad enough I started to get up and wake my wife to take me to the hospital. When I put my arms down on the recliner to get up, the pain almost completely went away. Raise my L. arm back up and pain returned. I decided it was just a new version of the pain I have from L. shoulder replacement surgery. Turned out I had blood clots. Doctor (actually several) told me I was extremely lucky also.
We definitely need to listen to what our body is trying to tell us.



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Originally Posted by I_bleed_MOPAR
Glad you made it and yes, you were lucky. Excellent advice also. up
My younger-by-21 months brother was having really bad chest pain but was going to ignore it. Fortunately his daughter had stayed home from work. She noticed how bad he looked and drove him to the hospital about 4 mi. away. They took him to surgery immediately. Doctor told him he had the "Widowmaker" and was extremely lucky that his daughter got him to the hospital so quickly. Told him he probably wouldn't have made it through the night. frown

Several years ago I had some chest pain one evening that was getting worse the longer I sat there. Started getting bad enough I started to get up and wake my wife to take me to the hospital. When I put my arms down on the recliner to get up, the pain almost completely went away. Raise my L. arm back up and pain returned. I decided it was just a new version of the pain I have from L. shoulder replacement surgery. Turned out I had blood clots. Doctor (actually several) told me I was extremely lucky also.
We definitely need to listen to what our body is trying to tell us.



Tim


After my third episode two years ago and my subsequent semi annual visits my coardiologist made me promise to call an ambulance and not have my wife or drive myself to the ER.


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