Old hyd floor jack rebuild ??s
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12/29/19 05:45 PM
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I have this older Blackhawk floorjack I bought back in the 80's Its a well made professional unit but developed problems so I got a kit and rebuilt it. Now it has a leak issue. The problem is there are no seals or o-rings around the cylinder - either top or bottom. When I assembled it I used some Loctite form-a-gasket but it leaked. When I took it apart this time I found the crap hadn't set up OR the hydraulic fluid reacted and dissolved it. Either way, its leaking. So I'm looking for a better product to use. I don't think silicone is going to cut it AND I hate using that crap 'cause it crumbles when you take things apart and the bits get everywhere. I'm thinking I need a sealant that will set up hard.
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Re: Old hyd floor jack rebuild ??s
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12/29/19 06:03 PM
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Here's the cylinder breakdown As you can see - no seals between the base (42) cylinder (31) and retaining nut (32)
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Re: Old hyd floor jack rebuild ??s
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Thanks for that invaluable input. This thing has lasted over 35 years. Let's see where those HF pieces of crap are in 35 years !!
By the way, you can buy complete rebuild kits for these for under $15, I think that speaks volumes.
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Re: Old hyd floor jack rebuild ??s
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Here's the cylinder breakdown As you can see - no seals between the base (42) cylinder (31) and retaining nut (32) Post the number description list. Having a hard time believing theres no wiper seal anywhere near the ram....
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Re: Old hyd floor jack rebuild ??s
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12/29/19 07:54 PM
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Of course there's a seal for the ram! That isn't the issue. The issue is: there are no seals on the reservoir cylinder. None in the parts drawing, none on the parts list and none during the initial teardown.
Here's PDF of the jack: parts breakdown and parts list
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Re: Old hyd floor jack rebuild ??s
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12/30/19 12:51 AM
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I love the old made in USA floor jacks & think they are worth rebuilding/restoring every time. I have a NAPA made in USA jack from the mid-80's. Newer imported jacks - I don't trust them. The steel China uses in anything is questionable at best.
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Re: Old hyd floor jack rebuild ??s
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12/30/19 02:37 PM
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Lazzers Hyd. and floor jack is where I got everything I needed to rebuild mine
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Re: Old hyd floor jack rebuild ??s
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In my town there are several hydraulic supply houses- re builders whom my employer frequents often for fittings and rebuilding of valves and cylinders. Id visit one of them if I were in your shoes.
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Re: Old hyd floor jack rebuild ??s
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12/30/19 08:26 PM
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Well crap, I don't know why I can't post the link.
But anyway, go to Amazon and look up Permatex 25228 Gasket Maker. It's an Amazon Choice, so it should come right up. There are several package sizes. This is the tube, about like the other RTVs. It is really, really tough stuff. I am careful where I use it. I have damaged parts taking them back apart.
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Re: Old hyd floor jack rebuild ??s
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I used Permatex #1 on Monday night. The small amount that seeped out at the joint wasn't hard Tuesday morning - maybe my definition of hard is different than theirs. Anyhow, I'm not in a rush so I figured I'd leave it a couple days before I fill it with fluid. I believe that type sealant will harden faster in the interface area, in the absence of atmosphere! Hopefully you knocked off any burrs/imperfections on the tube end of the tube. When you filled it did you extend the ram and retract it as you filled it? I’ve seen a number of rams where people fill improperly! Happy New Year! Kevin
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Re: Old hyd floor jack rebuild ??s
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I had 3 in the shop. Guy that comes around and does a mobile service "rebuilt" them and took an old one that we got free in a tool deal years ago. No idea on brand but the 2 we kept are a black hawk and an OTC. Both well built ones that have lasted years but just did not have the lift. Well they worked for awhile. Now the OTC will just be sitting and pee all over the floor and the black hawk lifts about half what it should in height. Yes they are great jacks but obviously the rebuild kits are just that but a temporary band aid on throwing them away. i do agree that how many of the new ones will still be around 20+ years from now. I would say none unless they are just sitting and never being used.
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Re: Old hyd floor jack rebuild ??s
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01/03/20 04:28 PM
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the black hawk lifts about half what it should in height. There's only two reasons it will only lift 1/2 the height. 1) something is jamming it (unlikely) 2) not enough fluid. Fill 'er up !!
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