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Re: Sp2p vs performer intake for small block? [Re: fast68plymouth] #2649195
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Sounds like the Offenhauser dual port intake manifold gimmick. It also was a product of the fuel embargo era.


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Re: Sp2p vs performer intake for small block? [Re: 2boltmain] #2649264
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A Mopar engine shop gave me a SP2P for free when I was building a 318 and mentioned I was changing over to a 4bbl. He told me it was a turd. I ebayed it and bought an Edelbrock intake. I still feel bad for selling it instead of trashing it.

Re: Sp2p vs performer intake for small block? [Re: 2boltmain] #2649320
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Originally Posted by 2boltmain
Sounds like the Offenhauser dual port intake manifold gimmick. It also was a product of the fuel embargo era.


I bought one off a guy in my Engine Support Systems Class in college. Gave him 30 bucks for it, his asking price, I didn't haggle.

Put it on the 400 in the C body of the day, with a 750 Competition series AFB from a swap meet LOL.

It was, different. it actually did move the car easier, at tiny throttle openings.

At WOT, "meh" at best. A stock 4V intake would have been better at WOT.

It was a 2bbl motor, Beggars can't be choosers, and 4 barrels is (almost) always better than 2.

It was worth every penny of 30 bucks, though.

I later pulled it, cleaned it up and sold it for 50 bucks.





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Re: Sp2p vs performer intake for small block? [Re: ZIPPY] #2649494
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Originally Posted by ZIPPY
Originally Posted by 2boltmain
Sounds like the Offenhauser dual port intake manifold gimmick. It also was a product of the fuel embargo era.


I bought one off a guy in my Engine Support Systems Class in college. Gave him 30 bucks for it, his asking price, I didn't haggle.

Put it on the 400 in the C body of the day, with a 750 Competition series AFB from a swap meet LOL.

It was, different. it actually did move the car easier, at tiny throttle openings.

At WOT, "meh" at best. A stock 4V intake would have been better at WOT.

It was a 2bbl motor, Beggars can't be choosers, and 4 barrels is (almost) always better than 2.

It was worth every penny of 30 bucks, though.

I later pulled it, cleaned it up and sold it for 50 bucks.

I know by the time I came of driving age in 1985 Offfenhauser was considered an obscurity taking a last place to Edelbrock Weiand and Holley. Offenhauser enjoys popularity to this day for making 4bbl intakes for inline 6 cyl engines. Back in the day companies converted Offy dual quad low profile intakes into blower manifolds.




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Re: Sp2p vs performer intake for small block? [Re: fast68plymouth] #2649543
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Originally Posted by fast68plymouth
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The SP2P is a real turd.


Boom!!!! There it is.
Truer words have never been said.

I’d run a stock 2bbl intake and carb before I put on one of those.

And their “greatness” isn’t limited to SB mopars either.
They suck on everything.

Friend of mine has a 68 Camaro ss 396.
One of the local 396 gurus gave him a recipe for a 400hp hot street build.

9.5cr, comp 280h magnum cam, Ede 750 carb..... sp2p...... no headers.

He wasn’t to impressed with it, and after taking it for a test ride I could see why.
It was absolutely “done”(and wheezing) at 4500.
It really didn’t do anything particularly well. No great throttle response....... it was just a straight up dud.
I tried a Holley on it, which ran better, but didn’t feel like it made any more power.
It did make the motor behave in a way I’ve never experienced before or since.
After about 3500rpm or so, when you rolled the throttle open, you could feel it lose power....... instantly.
Like more throttle opening was messing with what was going on under the carb.

Once he commited to making some changes, he pulled it out and I dynoed it, just as it was in the car, ex manifolds and all.
It made an earth shattering 283hp. Yeh....... that’s pretty close to 400, right?

Headers picked it up about 30hp,

Changed to a small solid cam, rpm a/g, Demon 650dp........ made another 100hp and pulled strong to 6500.

For a mild street sb Mopar, I like the std performer......on 273’s thru 360’s.
iagree Edlebrock really screwed the pooch on that downdesign


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Re: Sp2p vs performer intake for small block? [Re: magnum440d100] #2650252
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To the OP .... since MPG is a concern STICK WITH the sp2p IF 90% of your driving is 2800 rpm or less. Now as a lot of NAYSAYERS here proclaim ... it IS a turd intake if you try running over that basic rpm.

It’s a DAMN GOOD INTAKE for what it’s designed for. I have a collection of them still up in Meeeeechigan ! up

Re: Sp2p vs performer intake for small block? [Re: dOrk !] #2650264
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Uhhh...MAYBE under 2500 rpms and UNDER 1/3 throttle.
This is a MOPAR forum, not a Prius forum. Anyone trying to be a "HYPERMILER" here is confused.

Re: Sp2p vs performer intake for small block? [Re: Kern Dog] #2650355
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Mister pRoCtO ... there you go again- OFF the deep end ! tsk coffee

There are peeps here that have stuff - like the OP and me - that have road vehicles where MPG and GRUNT is a concern.... like a truck or a motor home.

Properly geared with a 373 ... I plan on a sp2p with a small TQ on my 2 426w motor homes. Now the one that runs is using a Street Master with the 456.

Re: Sp2p vs performer intake for small block? [Re: dOrk !] #2650358
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Doc, Sp2p trying to feed 426 inches in a MH? Your in for hard times, those things are small for a 302 Ford maverik

Seeking torque and mileage is fine, but that plan ain’t happening

Re: Sp2p vs performer intake for small block? [Re: NANKET] #2650363
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N-guy ... but the BB SP2p was designed for bigger cubic inches than a 426w !

You are comparing a 302 sp2p to a 440 sp2p ?

Re: Sp2p vs performer intake for small block? [Re: 2boltmain] #2652279
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Originally Posted by 2boltmain
Sounds like the Offenhauser dual port intake manifold gimmick. It also was a product of the fuel embargo era.


I actually ran one of these for 150K+mi on my '79 Maxivan. Comp RV cam, it was a work truck daily weighing in at 6000+lbs with tools and carpet. The model I had was for the 318 bought new from Summit. They had quit making the 360/340 sized model. With the 2200 stall converter at 50mph it would raise the dash board when the Thermoquad got to wailing. When I sell the van the intake stays with me. It would spin easily up past the cam's RPM range 5200 or so.

I had a SP2P 4bbl intake (they made a 2bbl version too) I sold it to Tony DeFeo for a MPG charger project which I think he never completed.

There is 2 different Performers out there. One has the offset thermostat housing for the newer rotary A/C compressor.

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