Ram Bedside Wheelwell Rust - Here's Why:
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I spent the afternoon removing the rear wheel tub liners on my 2017 Ram 1500 to rustproof it, & discovered why these things rust out at the top of the wheel openings! First off, it's doublewall along the top 50% of the wheel tub where it meets the outer bed skin - which I already knew & was expecting. The thing I was not expecting was Dodge's use of soft, black FOAM SEALANT along the whole area where the two come together! So, there is no way to penetrate this tight doublewall area, & the foam of course traps & holds moisture - just like it does on Challengers & I'm sure many other Mopar vehicles. To say I was totally pi$$ed to find this out after all the work is an understatement. I bought this truck back in March with the intent to keep it for at least 10 years. Looks like it's going to rust out prematurely like all the other 2003 & newer Rams - this should happen in about 4 years or so. At least they all do in the rust belt anyway.
I fully intended to apply my magic Texaco rustproofing formula & I also had a spray penetrant anti-corrosion formula. I ended up spraying the non-Texaco stuff as best I could up in the tight areas of the foam-laden doublewall areas - hoping it might creep into & under the foam, but I won't hold my breath. Anyway, thanks Chrysler for building-in rust guaranteed areas!
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Re: Ram Bedside Wheelwell Rust - Here's Why:
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Wow , and I thought it was just because they were crap....try putting some trans fluid in there and letting it soke in
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Re: Ram Bedside Wheelwell Rust - Here's Why:
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10/23/18 10:44 PM
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If the soft foam can absorb water, can it not also absorb an oil based substance? Hopefully, but like I said I won't hold my breath. My 2008 Ram was the same design, but no foam was used, so I was able to successfully rustproof that.
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Re: Ram Bedside Wheelwell Rust - Here's Why:
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That hardens & does not creep in hot weather. That is key - stuff has to stay active.
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Re: Ram Bedside Wheelwell Rust - Here's Why:
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gss - right-on. I did the best I could & can only hope my efforts will pay off.
Now to tackle the rockers, cab corners, & doors next. I sure hope they did not fill the rockers with expanding foam like they do the Brampton vehicles!
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Re: Ram Bedside Wheelwell Rust - Here's Why:
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10/24/18 01:45 AM
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In the Detroit area years ago, there were a few places that applied the Texaco rustproof formula. One was on Outer Drive & Michigan in Dearborn, then the main place was called Snyders. They were at 7 Mile & Beech I think - that place was the bomb. Cost about $170.00 to get your car done. They would heat the thick goo until it was like thin oil, then spray it all over. Stuff smells wonderful & is SOOO messy! It never got hard, & would still weep out of drain holes years later on hot summer days. The guy applying would drill holes in quarter doglegs, & in doors, trunk lids, & hoods. He would wand spray in those areas. If applied properly, water or moisture could never reach the metal - vehicle could only rust from the outside if you never touched-up chips. Then one day in the early 90's, some punk robbed old man Snyder & got like $40-60.00 & shot him dead. That was the end of Snyders Rustproofing & the last good place to go. Real nice.
I bought my 5-gallon drum of the stuff just before Texaco stopped making it.
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Re: Ram Bedside Wheelwell Rust - Here's Why:
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They have been doing that for many years now. My 96 Ram has all but rusted off of the frame. Everyone picks on it & makes fun of it but it just won't die. I have had it 20+ years now. All of my buddies, Dad, co-workers & neighbors have all been thru 10-15 or more trucks while I still have this one. I can't complain though this truck owes me nothing.
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Re: Ram Bedside Wheelwell Rust - Here's Why:
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10/24/18 10:22 PM
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I just did my 2011 Ram 1500 Sport for the third time
Zero rust here in WI and I only drive the truck in winter - WI and the U.P. For snowmobiling
Fluid Film and LPS 3
Pull all the wheel well liners out - Spray through the factory holes in those double wall liners above the rear quarters
Backside of front fenders also where that strengthening epoxy coated patch is
Pull all the black plastic plugs in the rocker panels , and the cheap crap tape they used from the factory on the backside of rockers
I have never once seen this factory foam that everyone talks about anywhere in the rear quarters or rocker panels ? Even used a led flex light through all those tiny holes
Was this a specific year thing or a build plant ?
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Re: Ram Bedside Wheelwell Rust - Here's Why:
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That strength patch on backside of front fenders sprayed with Fluid Film over seven years
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Re: Ram Bedside Wheelwell Rust - Here's Why:
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What’s this foam look like in the rear quarters ?
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Re: Ram Bedside Wheelwell Rust - Here's Why:
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What’s this foam look like in the rear quarters ? It's black & soft on my 2017. It's mostly out of view, but you can feel it after the wheelwell liners are out & a little of it peeks out where the doublewall piece ends. It's like it is expanding foam - they must caulk a bead of it thinking it is going to seal the cavity, but in reality it's promoting moisture to be held there. I know a lot of this foam (maybe all of it) is meant to deaden sound. The white foam is used extensively in all the Brampton-built vehicles - in the rockers, door jambs, quarter cavities, etc. New Challengers are rusting in the rockers & ahead of the rear wheels in the quarters in very short order. Many Challenger owners have been pleading with Chrysler to STOP using this foam, but it's falling on deaf ears. On the rear areas in my Ram, it is IMPOSSIBLE to remove this foam - you can barely get your hand in there to feel it. My 2008 Ram did not have this - I was able to Texaco those areas effectively.
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Re: Ram Bedside Wheelwell Rust - Here's Why:
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The foam was there I always pick it out while standing next to my truck at the gas pump. LOL. Most of my foam is gone now along with any of the wheel openings.....
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Re: Ram Bedside Wheelwell Rust - Here's Why:
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What is this rust crap you guys are talking about? I have a 99 W2500 CTD QC LB and there is not a drop of rust after 233K miles. Seems like you guys are doing something wrong.
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Re: Ram Bedside Wheelwell Rust - Here's Why:
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If your in the car/truck manufacturing business, any vehicle that lasts more than a couple of years past the normal payment schedule is costing you money. Once the vehicle leaves its dealership, the only income it will derive is in the form of repairs. Its not in the best interest of the company to build a vehicle that will last more then 10 years.
Many people reduce the amount of money they spend on a ride that is nearly 10 years old. If a major repair is needed, or the ride is showing rust, they go shopping for something new. If something makes it past the warranty without many issues, and makes it past (or near) that last payment, most will replace it with something similar to what they had.
The 2019 model year stuff is out, why would the manufacturer care about something built in 2009 or 2010? Gene Ford is the most notorious for this. They once had the goal that the car would basically self destruct at 100k miles. Obviously people now expect more from their vehicles now.
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Re: Ram Bedside Wheelwell Rust - Here's Why:
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What is this rust crap you guys are talking about? I have a 99 W2500 CTD QC LB and there is not a drop of rust after 233K miles. Seems like you guys are doing something wrong. California, you are not even allowed in this thread. In Ontario Canada, the only solution is to park them for the winter months. Road salt kills cars.
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Re: Ram Bedside Wheelwell Rust - Here's Why:
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What is this rust crap you guys are talking about? I have a 99 W2500 CTD QC LB and there is not a drop of rust after 233K miles. Seems like you guys are doing something wrong. California, you are not even allowed in this thread. In Ontario Canada, the only solution is to park them for the winter months. Road salt kills cars. Have you thought of stopping putting down salt? I know salt is cheap and works well. Did I mention I have a completely rust free 1975 Trail Duster?
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The rear fender wells are starting to show some bubbling on my 05 ram. I need to get in there and try to slow it down. Here in WI , through 2008 third generation are notorious for rust in the rear quarters Guys love to cover that rust area up with flares Personally , including my 2011 , I have seen very few 2009 and up fourth generation 1500 s with rust
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