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Re: Locked timing on a street/strip car [Re: fast68plymouth] #2546632
09/06/18 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted By fast68plymouth
So, you’ve got your big lumpy cam and the accompanying super low vacuum, low gears, and a high stall converter.
You keep bumping up the initial timing and discover the vacuum goes up, throttle response gets better, idle circuit in the carb becomes more responsive.
You bump up the initial more, and get more of the same improvements.

As Chip said, if the combo is “wild” enough, you keep bumping up the initial, and limiting the sweep to keep the total where you want it....... and eventually you find there is no more sweep anymore.

That’s how I came to it over 30 years ago........by making adjustments, driving the car and seeing if it ran/drove better or not.
More initial did everything better....... so I kept sneaking up on it....... more driving, more evaluating....... until there was essentially no “curve” left.
For the last curve I was at 30 initial/36 total, all in by 2200.
I locked out another distributor, swapped it out...... and it was marginally better, so I left it like that.


Real world testing and proof of certain wild combinations working locked out. I didn't lock my street 408 out because it is pump gas with a someqhat short duration cam. 235/249/107. 10.1 compression ,iron heads. Like Dwayne found, every combo needs to be evaluated. I run 14 initial and 30 total at 4000 rpm(best hp on the dyno) for one reason, crappy pump gas. I could probably get away with 20 intial, but with decent idle at 14 and a 4000 curve with a 4,000 stall converter, why risk even minor, inaudable detonation, why bother? If my cam were 260 @ .050, that would be another story.


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Re: Locked timing on a street/strip car [Re: 70Drop] #2546634
09/06/18 12:34 PM
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My 416 is coil on plug with the timing controlled by the ECU. It idles better the more and more timing you put in it. I have my idle timing at 45 and then it drops pretty quick to my total(37) under any load. It cranks on 10* so starting is never an issue.

The timing curve is one thing I have not put much work in since I went coil on plug and EFI.


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Re: Locked timing on a street/strip car [Re: GY3] #2546643
09/06/18 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted By GY3
Originally Posted By an8sec70cuda
Originally Posted By GY3
Originally Posted By fourgearsavoy
I just don't understand why you would need to lock it out on a street/strip car shruggy I mean will it gain any performance?
I set my base at 23 and total at 34 all in by 1800 RPM and it runs perfect with my combo.

Gus beer


Pretty much the same here.

So how much time do you think your engine spends under 1800 rpm on the street? Other than idling.

I don't see the need for the advance.


Very little. The reason mine is setup this way is to make sure it starts easy. 99% of the time it is at full advance.
same here car runs great locked at full adv.38 deg, but it would lag the starter,set my initial at 28 deg still runs great all in by 2000 witch is just barley touching the pedal,still idles at 8-900 rpm ,starts easy.

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