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Re: Need help tuning dominator for the street [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2536704
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Most anyone can build a carb that runs good wide open. It takes a carb builder that really knows what hes doing to make the carb do everything correctly. I have bought carbs from a bunch of different venders and Dom beats them all hands down no contest. Guy really knows his [censored] and wont BS you like the others i have dealt with. Davinci told me no one could build a 3 circuit for street like he could. Biggest piece of [censored] catb ever. Dom fixed it.

Re: Need help tuning dominator for the street [Re: Canam800] #2536705
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Ok I'm going to get a 6.5 power valve and drop the front jets. Should I still drop the intermediate jets? If so are they the same as Holley main jets? I haven't taken the bowl off yet so I'm not sure what kind of jet it is. After I get through the weekend I will probly just send it out to Thumper.

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Re: Need help tuning dominator for the street [Re: polyspheric] #2536733
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Originally Posted By polyspheric
You might want to put a power valve in the front and jet down to 84 or so

What took everyone so long?


Because it's a crutch for a blubbery mess 3 circuit and if Chip is happy with his that's good but you are one of damn near none........ drumhit


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Re: Need help tuning dominator for the street [Re: Canam800] #2536739
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Do you know how to tell on the metering block if it will work with a power valve or not? Some will not and others will, not all the metering blocks are the same shruggy work scope


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Re: Need help tuning dominator for the street [Re: Cab_Burge] #2536743
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Not only that but make sure there's a hole in the p/v well to get a vacuum signal.......... thumbs


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Re: Need help tuning dominator for the street [Re: Canam800] #2536745
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The spec sheet posted shows it has a pvcr, so the PV should function....... just make sure it has a vacuum port in the cavity.

I doubt the motor would run “well” at part throttle if you leaned it out far enough to hurt anything.
Generally, big cam, big heads, big intake........ tuned so that it feels like it’s running pretty well at part throttle.........it’s usually still on the rich side.


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Re: Need help tuning dominator for the street [Re: Canam800] #2536826
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Mine has a PV on the primary side BTW. It is far from a blubbery mess.

Guess I'm the odd man out in this conversation...different observations about a couple different carbs I've had here.


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Re: Need help tuning dominator for the street [Re: Canam800] #2536833
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Ok so I have a 6.5 power valve coming and I had some jets. Do I need to change the intermediate fuel jets to drive it the 30 miles this weekend? If so should I put the intermediate air bleeds back in? They had me drill them with a .096 drill before I took them all the way out so they are bigger than the spec sheet now.
After the weekend I'm just going to have the carb done again.

Thanks for all the help
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Re: Need help tuning dominator for the street [Re: Canam800] #2536839
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One thing at a time.

Just install the PV with like 85 jets and drive it...... see how it goes.
Tweak from there.

The pre-HP 3 circuit 4500’s didn’t have an air bleed in the int circuit.... just a hole where one could go.


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Re: Need help tuning dominator for the street [Re: fast68plymouth] #2536842
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Originally Posted By fast68plymouth
One thing at a time.

Just install the PV with like 85 jets and drive it...... see how it goes.
Tweak from there.
iagree scope
Do that mod and then go drive it far enough at light part throttle cruising (1500 to 2500 RPM), not 30 miles, to see how the plugs look an if they clean up or not scope
I would put one new plug in after doing the mods to the carb. before driving it so you can see what it does also scope twocents
Let us know your results please thumbs

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Re: Need help tuning dominator for the street [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2536851
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Originally Posted By an8sec70cuda
Mine has a PV on the primary side BTW. It is far from a blubbery mess.

Guess I'm the odd man out in this conversation...different observations about a couple different carbs I've had here.


Glad that works for you and apparently you got a good tune going............ thumbs Do you have a wide band to verify afr's at different engine speeds.......... beer Just asking to get info and understand how you verify that your 3-circuit is great on the street and has no blubbery or over rich issues cos if so, that's a good thing for sure just haven't seen it first hand.......... thumbs

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Re: Need help tuning dominator for the street [Re: Canam800] #2537087
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Looks like you're not alone Chip wink

The Dominator on my 572 Hemi is a Pro Systems 3 circuit as well. On the dyno with open headers, the AFRs from 4K and WOT up were perfect and the engine performed really well. I toyed with the idea of maybe going to a 2 circuit conversion but decided to have a go at dialling it in nicely in the car.

I have dual Widebands - one in each collector, this helped a lot as a tuning guide.

Once in the car the IABs and Int circuit needed a little tweaking along with equal reductions in jetting on both the Pri and Sec side - with a full exhaust now on the car, it really made a difference to the fuelling. The IFRs, HSABs and PVCR jet I left untouched so far.

It has a 5.5 PV in front as well, I now have it idling hot at around low 15s and cruises hi 14s/low 15s as well. There is little to no real load at idle or part throttle and despite what others have told me, I'm letting the car tell me what it likes using AFRs as a guide. The car loves the current setup, no surging, great transition and super nice plugs and clean oil. Hell, if I keep the right foot out of it it ain't half bad on the benzene consumption lol.

I'm now creeping up on the WOT and its nearly there but still a tad on the rich side need to get to the track to dial it in further. I'm guessing the PVCR jet will need to be a little smaller so I'll see what happens.

In my case I had to be super patient and persistent, make one change at a time, document each change, drive it and see what the car/engine was telling me. A bit of work - for sure, Worth it ? ABSOLUTELY !

I've found most guys don't have the patience (or time) to take the time to understand each circuit and its effects and then to dial it in properly with the right tools/parts.

Each engine is different ...gotta give it what it likes and use AFRs as a guide.


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Re: Need help tuning dominator for the street [Re: Canam800] #2537105
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It's a debate.
Who agrees with me on almost every product? Holley.
Who does not? People in a "State of confusion".

Biggest reason to remove PV: you have no idea what it does.


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Re: Need help tuning dominator for the street [Re: LAD 524] #2537165
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Originally Posted By LAD 524
Looks like you're not alone Chip wink

The Dominator on my 572 Hemi is a Pro Systems 3 circuit as well. On the dyno with open headers, the AFRs from 4K and WOT up were perfect and the engine performed really well. I toyed with the idea of maybe going to a 2 circuit conversion but decided to have a go at dialling it in nicely in the car.

I have dual Widebands - one in each collector, this helped a lot as a tuning guide.

Once in the car the IABs and Int circuit needed a little tweaking along with equal reductions in jetting on both the Pri and Sec side - with a full exhaust now on the car, it really made a difference to the fuelling. The IFRs, HSABs and PVCR jet I left untouched so far.

It has a 5.5 PV in front as well, I now have it idling hot at around low 15s and cruises hi 14s/low 15s as well. There is little to no real load at idle or part throttle and despite what others have told me, I'm letting the car tell me what it likes using AFRs as a guide. The car loves the current setup, no surging, great transition and super nice plugs and clean oil. Hell, if I keep the right foot out of it it ain't half bad on the benzene consumption lol.

I'm now creeping up on the WOT and its nearly there but still a tad on the rich side need to get to the track to dial it in further. I'm guessing the PVCR jet will need to be a little smaller so I'll see what happens.

In my case I had to be super patient and persistent, make one change at a time, document each change, drive it and see what the car/engine was telling me. A bit of work - for sure, Worth it ? ABSOLUTELY !

I've found most guys don't have the patience (or time) to take the time to understand each circuit and its effects and then to dial it in properly with the right tools/parts.

Each engine is different ...gotta give it what it likes and use AFRs as a guide.



You're right about the patience part for sure and again, if YOU are happy that's all that matters but every single 2 circuit conversion is still that, a 2 and no one as far as I know has ever changed back to a 3. Forest on here went 8-flat at almost 171 mph with a 2 I converted for him and it's cleaner n meaner than ever and that's just ONE example......I also know the HEMI's have a different fuel demand than a wedge and like more fuel from my testing........... thumbs

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Re: Need help tuning dominator for the street [Re: Canam800] #2537942
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I just sent the carb to thumper. Decided not to mess with it and just have it set up right.

Thanks for the help

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Thankxxx and I will hook ya up the best I can then you will have back to back real world info so we can ALL learn along the way....... thumbs


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Re: Need help tuning dominator for the street [Re: Thumperdart] #2538063
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I was hanging out at the local speed shop yesterday while they were dynoing a fresh 540 shebby boat engine. The owner had them install Holley Dominator size multi port injection and they were trying to tune it.

Well, first they were just trying to get it to run well enough, long enough to start tuning. They were on their second day trying to get it lined out. They swapped a carb on to break it in and get some initial details.

They had tried about everything they knew to try, had called Holley several times and had switched back to the carb to make sure that the EFI was the problem.

I'ld hate to pay that bill. And did I mention that the boat had twin engines? So, they have this to do again. Anyone care to guess what the customer will have in his EFI when it's all said and done? $6,000? $8,000? Could it go $10,000?


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Originally Posted By DaveRS23
I was hanging out at the local speed shop yesterday while they were dynoing a fresh 540 shebby boat engine. The owner had them install Holley Dominator size multi port injection and they were trying to tune it.

Well, first they were just trying to get it to run well enough, long enough to start tuning. They were on their second day trying to get it lined out. They swapped a carb on to break it in and get some initial details.

They had tried about everything they knew to try, had called Holley several times and had switched back to the carb to make sure that the EFI was the problem.

I'ld hate to pay that bill. And did I mention that the boat had twin engines? So, they have this to do again. Anyone care to guess what the customer will have in his EFI when it's all said and done? $6,000? $8,000? Could it go $10,000?


Yep, I get those calls a lot and they see the light after all including the several I converted from corn to gas.........Kevin at CSU has a saying and in MOST cases I agree but I can't post it here but he's not a fan either..........EFI has it's place just never on my plate nor would I ever suggest it EVER............. down fan


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Re: Need help tuning dominator for the street [Re: DaveRS23] #2538092
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Originally Posted By DaveRS23
I was hanging out at the local speed shop yesterday while they were dynoing a fresh 540 shebby boat engine. The owner had them install Holley Dominator size multi port injection and they were trying to tune it.

Well, first they were just trying to get it to run well enough, long enough to start tuning. They were on their second day trying to get it lined out. They swapped a carb on to break it in and get some initial details.

They had tried about everything they knew to try, had called Holley several times and had switched back to the carb to make sure that the EFI was the problem.


They should have called me. I could have remote connected and tuned The Holley EFI over the Internet. I'm doing two remote sessions like this every day. Unless there's a mechanical issue this works every time. efiexpert.com

Re: Need help tuning dominator for the street [Re: Mopar_Rich] #2538247
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Why doesn't Holley tech recommend you in certain cases, Rich? Why does the customer have to figure out who to call when he's struggling with their product?

I will say that when they called the engine's owner, he suggested that they call Holley tech a couple of times to see if they could get a more competent tech. Apparently, this isn't his first experience with them.


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