Re: What now for this b1 exhaust port
[Re: kevinlc]
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Be interesting to see more info on the current combo, came compression etc. Al, he listed the combo: The combination is a 15:1 451 cid with b1 original heads, sheet metal intake with two 1050’s, roller cam with .845 intake 285 duration and .766 exhaust and 299 duration ground on 110 lobe separation. Exhaust is 2 to 2/18 equal length. Trans is a 727 with a brake, 5500 stall, 14x32 and 5:13 gears.
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Re: What now for this b1 exhaust port
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Sure seems like one heck of an underperformer. Guess I missed that one.
I should have added check spring pressures as well to the list of places to start looking for missing HP...
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Re: What now for this b1 exhaust port
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AS I said I would start with basics of troubleshooting to see if there is an underlying issue causing the poor performance.
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Re: What now for this b1 exhaust port
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Update. Sent the heads to CFE. Here is the email Kevin,
there are some improvements to consider on the B1's. First would be from doing our valve job (which would add some much needed area under the exhaust valve), open up the bowls on the intake side to the common bolt hole (you would need to seal those bolt columns off with silicone during assembly), and straightening on some things in the chamber, particularly on the exhaust side. The chambers are all over the place in respect to transitioning to the bore diameter and some are opened up to 4.500" and over-hang the deck on your smaller bore diameter. Not the end of the world, but I thought I should mention it. As noted, we can straighten some of that out where there is material to work with.
If interested, we could do our touches to them and the cost would be $1,800.00. The time frame would be two or three weeks at the most. If interested, and you'd like us to proceed, let me know and give me the specs on your current cam. I can give you some direction on what to do in that department.
Let me know if you have some questions. We appreciate your interest.
Scott @ CFE
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Re: What now for this b1 exhaust port
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WOW!!!!!!!! 1800.00 MORE.
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Re: What now for this b1 exhaust port
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The question I’d be asking myself is, how much improvement(ET) would I have to see out of the $1800 head work for me to feel like I got what I paid for?
And then, is that expectation realistic for what they’re proposing?
I’d pay those guys to flow them as-is to see how well the numbers correlated to the numbers you already have before making any decisions about proceeding further. My preference would be to flow them on as correct a bore size as they have, and with/without a correct sized flow tube.
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Re: What now for this b1 exhaust port
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WOW!!!!!!!! 1800.00 MORE. That is the going rate to have any good shop hand work any head. What, exactly, does that $1800 get the OP? I saw reference to: - valve & seat rework - bowl enlarging - some chamber work Am I missing something else? Big-name shop or not, that seems like a lot of $$$ for just that amount of work. PLEASE tell me I've misread what that quote includes...
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Re: What now for this b1 exhaust port
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WOW!!!!!!!! 1800.00 MORE. That is the going rate to have any good shop hand work any head. What, exactly, does that $1800 get the OP? I saw reference to: - valve & seat rework - bowl enlarging - some chamber work Am I missing something else? Big-name shop or not, that seems like a lot of $$$ for just that amount of work. PLEASE tell me I've misread what that quote includes... I suspect they will be doing some repairs. Sounds like the chambers need some welding. Who knows what they need to do to fix the valve job. I always charge more when I have to fix someone else's junk work. I especially hate trying to fix absurd valve jobs. Sometimes, as I got older, I just turned some of the fix my junk [censored] away. Just wasn't worth the crap.
Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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Re: What now for this b1 exhaust port
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Darren at reher morrison quoted around 3500 to hand port a set, they dont have a cnc program for b1. I believe it was around 90 pesos an hour. The ideal person to get them to would be radar, if you can find him....
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Re: What now for this b1 exhaust port
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WOW!!!!!!!! 1800.00 MORE. That is the going rate to have any good shop hand work any head. What, exactly, does that $1800 get the OP? I saw reference to: - valve & seat rework - bowl enlarging - some chamber work Am I missing something else? Big-name shop or not, that seems like a lot of $$$ for just that amount of work. PLEASE tell me I've misread what that quote includes... It all boils down to how much faith you have in XX shop. EVERYTHING has gone up in price EVERYTHING. Why not highly specialized shops with highly specialized skills with highly specialized equipment? I charge $105 CDN/hr and its barely enough, but you know what? People pay or they have to learn how to do it themselves--then they realize how cheap it was to send it to the machine shop in the first place. On the flip side of this coin are the idiot machine shops that still charge $100 bucks for a valve job or $75.00 for a line hone--they must like working at a loss. J.Rob
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Re: What now for this b1 exhaust port
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WOW!!!!!!!! 1800.00 MORE. That is the going rate to have any good shop hand work any head. What, exactly, does that $1800 get the OP? I saw reference to: - valve & seat rework - bowl enlarging - some chamber work Am I missing something else? Big-name shop or not, that seems like a lot of $$$ for just that amount of work. PLEASE tell me I've misread what that quote includes... It all boils down to how much faith you have in XX shop. EVERYTHING has gone up in price EVERYTHING. Why not highly specialized shops with highly specialized skills with highly specialized equipment? I charge $105 CDN/hr and its barely enough, but you know what? People pay or they have to learn how to do it themselves--then they realize how cheap it was to send it to the machine shop in the first place. On the flip side of this coin are the idiot machine shops that still charge $100 bucks for a valve job or $75.00 for a line hone--they must like working at a loss. J.Rob Truer words have not been spoken.
Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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