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Any problems with Indy hemi heads ?
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going to buy a set of indy hemi aluminum heads this week that were cnc ported from indy to 450 cfm.
a fellow moparts member stated to me today that there was a problem with them and something had to be fixed or corrected in order for them not to
mess up my motor when installed. is this true or are there any issues with them?
anyone have any feedback on the indy 426 crossram?
thanks
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a little help out there! 
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Re: Any problems with Indy hemi heads ?
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Who's flow #'s, Indy's?
You may be surprised or should I say disappointed with them.
I wouldn't say that, but they are taller and wider than MP heads by a bunch. I had to center the engine better, and relocate it somewhat to clear eveything. They are 1.5" wider at their widest point, and at least 3/4" taller with vavlve covers.
Which heads did you get the 426-1's? And did you get one of Indy's cross rams?
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Re: Any problems with Indy hemi heads ?
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Chris,450 cfm at what lift?What is the problem with them?As you know we run Indys on our 528",588" and 605" without any problems for quite a few years. 
THATS what im trying to figure out, fore warned is fore armed!
are these a straight bolt on?
for 1:6 indy rockers, do the indy heads need to be clearanced for pushrod movement.like the mp heads
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I have a set of Indy's CNC ported Hemi heads and had no issues with running them BUT I did find out that during an inspection of the heads and springs, I found that the spring heights were all off, the springs were not sized properly for the cam, and obvioulsy set up by someone who didn't care or know what they were doing. The springs were assembled using the same shim under every spring and installation heights were not corrected. There was about .050 varience in spring height from biggest to smallest. I bought a tool to machine the spring pocket to accept a spring cup and corrected the depth at the same time.
Oh, did I mention I bought these new and direct from Indy ... You would think they would know better...
1970 Challenger w/572 Hemi street car and my pride and joy.
1986 T-Type with 272 Stage 2 Buick V6 engine - True 8 second street car. Just updated the engine and put down 928 HP @ 35# boost to the ground on chasis dyno.
1976 Cee Bee Avenger Jet Boat - 460 Ford powered.
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I have a set of Indy's CNC ported Hemi heads and had no issues with running them BUT I did find out that during an inspection of the heads and springs, I found that the spring heights were all off, the springs were not sized properly for the cam, and obvioulsy set up by someone who didn't care or know what they were doing. The springs were assembled using the same shim under every spring and installation heights were not corrected. There was about .050 varience in spring height from biggest to smallest. I bought a tool to machine the spring pocket to accept a spring cup and corrected the depth at the same time.
Oh, did I mention I bought these new and direct from Indy ... You would think they would know better...
thanks this is what i remember hearing awhile ago.i appreciate the response, ill have to check mine before assembly.
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Bob can you explain why we continue to see inferior work coming out of indy? seems like some body would make an effort to send things out that are right 
98% of the people on this board have said the Indy stuff needs to be purchased through a 3rd party that will look over and clen up the stuff. Even Chris complained about Indy in the past but he is still willing to go direct through Indy  get the Indy products through any WD and have them look them over and make them correct and you will have a great product
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Bob can you explain why we continue to see inferior work coming out of indy? seems like some body would make an effort to send things out that are right
98% of the people on this board have said the Indy stuff needs to be purchased through a 3rd party that will look over and clen up the stuff. Even Chris complained about Indy in the past but he is still willing to go direct through Indy get the Indy products through any WD and have them look them over and make them correct and you will have a great product
Russ
thats no excuse imo. they have a complete machine shop, nothing should have to be sent anywhere when it leaves. not everybody reads all the posts on moparts.
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Tony,I can't really answer that.I use them as a supplier,my engine programs are all developed around Indy blocks and heads.That we as engine builders go over most everything we use in a build insures that the product is correct is what everyone should do.To rely on the manufacture to build things to our specification would limit us to changes during the build.I'am very satisfied with the products and their CNC programs as well as their handling of our account.The staff have be very helful in resolving any issues that arise.As far as Russ and Kenny,they are very helpful and we very seldom bother them for every little problem,but when necessary they are always helpful.We make sure that our customers are satisfied since they rely on BGR for their needs.To be honest we have not had any complaints from customers that we drop ship direct from Indy to.No matter who the manufacture or supplier is the builder or end user must check everything.We are in the processing of correcting for use multipal sets of Jesel and T/D rockers as well as a lot of valve train componants that don't work or fit properly.Follow all the other post about Strange,Barry Grant,Comp Cams,Harland Sharp,440 Source and on and on.Seems no ones perfect.We do the best we can with what we have.When things are produced on a large scale anything can happen.I have no quick answer for anyone.
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Bob can you explain why we continue to see inferior work coming out of indy? seems like some body would make an effort to send things out that are right
98% of the people on this board have said the Indy stuff needs to be purchased through a 3rd party that will look over and clen up the stuff. Even Chris complained about Indy in the past but he is still willing to go direct through Indy get the Indy products through any WD and have them look them over and make them correct and you will have a great product
Russ
thats no excuse imo. they have a complete machine shop, nothing should have to be sent anywhere when it leaves. not everybody reads all the posts on moparts.
Oh, I'm sorry I forgot. You live in a perfect world while the rest of us don't. Who here also posted about the expensive Impact products? I guess all companies have people working for them and we know all people are not perfect and mistakes will be made - unless they are from Florida, everything down there is perfect!
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Be careful that your pistons fit the Indy head chamber.When ordering pistons we always specify for Indy head chamber.  I would ask for the flow sheet for those heads and the chamber size and volume.Still wandering 450 cfm at what lift?
that is exactly my point! i specified cp hemi pistons to kenny and he said absolutly no problems with fit! now i know the difference and you already know it. i got lied to and two years later i still frustrated.
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Bob can you explain why we continue to see inferior work coming out of indy? seems like some body would make an effort to send things out that are right
98% of the people on this board have said the Indy stuff needs to be purchased through a 3rd party that will look over and clen up the stuff. Even Chris complained about Indy in the past but he is still willing to go direct through Indy get the Indy products through any WD and have them look them over and make them correct and you will have a great product
Russ
thats no excuse imo. they have a complete machine shop, nothing should have to be sent anywhere when it leaves. not everybody reads all the posts on moparts.
Oh, I'm sorry I forgot. You live in a perfect world while the rest of us don't. Who here also posted about the expensive Impact products? I guess all companies have people working for them and we know all people are not perfect and mistakes will be made - unless they are from Florida, everything down there is perfect!
Russ
oh give it a break  I guess your use to sub par new parts
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Be careful that your pistons fit the Indy head chamber.When ordering pistons we always specify for Indy head chamber. I would ask for the flow sheet for those heads and the chamber size and volume.Still wandering 450 cfm at what lift?
that is exactly my point! i specified cp hemi pistons to kenny and he said absolutly no problems with fit! now i know the difference and you already know it. i got lied to and two years later i still frustrated.
Jimi,We had the same problem years ago with a set of pistons we got from Chrysler,they smacked the heads front to back.They beat off the chamber and grenaded the engine in the lights at 142mph.It's not something you soon forget. 
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Tony,I can't really answer that.I use them as a supplier,my engine programs are all developed around Indy blocks and heads.That we as engine builders go over most everything we use in a build insures that the product is correct is what everyone should do.To rely on the manufacture to build things to our specification would limit us to changes during the build.I'am very satisfied with the products and their CNC programs as well as their handling of our account.The staff have be very helful in resolving any issues that arise.As far as Russ and Kenny,they are very helpful and we very seldom bother them for every little problem,but when necessary they are always helpful.We make sure that our customers are satisfied since they rely on BGR for their needs.To be honest we have not had any complaints from customers that we drop ship direct from Indy to.No matter who the manufacture or supplier is the builder or end user must check everything.We are in the processing of correcting for use multipal sets of Jesel and T/D rockers as well as a lot of valve train componants that don't work or fit properly.Follow all the other post about Strange,Barry Grant,Comp Cams,Harland Sharp,440 Source and on and on.Seems no ones perfect.We do the best we can with what we have.When things are produced on a large scale anything can happen.I have no quick answer for anyone.
Bob thats not what I am talking about. doing a correct vavle job is not making them to a customers specs. quality control is the issue, hjere's my feelings for what it's worth. I have used many indy parts and like them. here's the but, if they are going to sell them they should tell people they are rough and need to be sent to a machine shop for correction. not every body knows to have BG or somebody else build them and make sure everything is correct. and thinking they are buying them directly from indy thinking they are right. if it were me I would have quality machine help and quality control to make sure nothing went out thats wasn't dead on. just a matter of pride to me, guess they don't have any..
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Bob can you explain why we continue to see inferior work coming out of indy? seems like some body would make an effort to send things out that are right
98% of the people on this board have said the Indy stuff needs to be purchased through a 3rd party that will look over and clen up the stuff. Even Chris complained about Indy in the past but he is still willing to go direct through Indy get the Indy products through any WD and have them look them over and make them correct and you will have a great product
Russ
Russ, trust me, i wont ever buy direct from them again. i am going to get them from a indy dealer.
ARC built my hemi motor and it made great power so i will continue to let him build my motors and clearance all the parts for me. he is more than capable in checking the parts prior to assembly.
DRAGULA i also have 11.6 compression with JE pistons, im hoping there wont be any more machine work involved.
was wondering if the pistons will need to get flycut.
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Well anything that is mass produced is going to have what I call Go-No Go set of tolerances.. If you want it exact as possible that means CC each chamber, muli cut valve job and milling along with port matching...On our motors I usally get un-cut domes so I can fit domes to heads and flycut my own valve reliefs..Indy stuff has made it possible for Mopar racers to have some good componets to build with, instead of having to find 40 year old stuff to build motors with.
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Re: Any problems with Indy hemi heads ?
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Do yourself a favor before its to late and buys some Stage V's from Tim at FHO.
http://www.forhemisonly.com/
 That's what I did
He had a set of cnc indy heads the last time I was there. The ports are the size of the millennium heads and the flow is nowhere near.
 Tim. 
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