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Re: Cost to have quarters replaced ?
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03/08/09 01:56 PM
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once u open up the 1/4, u have to check the conditions of the trunk floor end that attaches to the 1/4, the outer wheel well or inner if that is rusted and the foward panel between the door and the wheel...all this is considered extra work...
Yep...since our cars are now 40 years old most all the quarter panel replacment id due to rust, and rust doesn't always just conveniently stop at the quarter.
I have heard many people paying $3000-$5,000 for both quarters! And that certainly doesn't include the required paint job.
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Re: Cost to have quarters replaced ?
[Re: AARCONV]
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your better off doing it yourself quarters are easy to do, lot of body shops over charge! if not find some1 to do the work at a set price not by the hours, people are hard up for cash these days youll find some1<<
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Re: Cost to have quarters replaced ?
[Re: AARCONV]
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03/09/09 12:16 AM
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up to 7,000 dollars for both to be done if the wheelhouses need to be replaced since they don't make them...they take a hardtop one and modify it and at that time..not sure now ...but the inners where not available...just outers....
wonder how many fools would pay that much to get quarters and wheelhouses replaced, you can buy a project car with most sheetmetal replaced for that much, or have 3 cars done that need quarters,wheelhouses,and trunk floors. 
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Re: Cost to have quarters replaced ?
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03/09/09 12:36 AM
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up to 7,000 dollars for both to be done if the wheelhouses need to be replaced since they don't make them...they take a hardtop one and modify it and at that time..not sure now ...but the inners where not available...just outers....
They now make inner and outer wheel house now.
It is way easy to trim the wheel house to fit inside the caps on a vert.
The big thing is no one makes Vert quaters you have to cut a hard top and do a butt weld to make them work. That will add time to the job.
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Re: Cost to have quarters replaced ?
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03/09/09 08:47 AM
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up to 7,000 dollars for both to be done if the wheelhouses need to be replaced since they don't make them...they take a hardtop one and modify it and at that time..not sure now ...but the inners where not available...just outers....
They now make inner and outer wheel house now.
It is way easy to trim the wheel house to fit inside the caps on a vert.
The big thing is no one makes Vert quaters you have to cut a hard top and do a butt weld to make them work. That will add time to the job.
That is the big deal... They will have to but weld the entire quarter on - because they do not make 'vert quarters. It is not a huge amount of cutting and welding but it will take more time then a "factory" job.
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Re: Cost to have quarters replaced ?
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Hmmm. Well I am not totally sure how bad off the quarters are, but if the rest of the car is any indication, Im sure most, if not all will need replacing. I can tell there is fill in there. The quarters have the old tell tale signs like, bubbling at the bottoms, major cracking around the wheel well trim, and some minor cracking of the paint near the belt line.
I am in the middle of doing the interior floor pans now. Seems to be going good for my first time. But with quarter panels (if I do it myself) there is no carpet to hide any mistakes. But I may have no other choice.
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Re: Cost to have quarters replaced ?
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03/09/09 07:02 PM
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A convert that needs ONLY quarters? Take a look at the inner and outer wheelhouses, the trunk floor both floor extensions, the dutchman panel, the tail light panel, and the frame rails. http://www.autometaldirect.com/content.php?page=119That's not even getting into the passenger area. I will be shocked if it only needs quarters. If it does, maybe it only needs patches.
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Re: Cost to have quarters replaced ?
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03/09/09 07:13 PM
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$7000, ouch...
Full quarters would be aprox. 5-10 hours per panel @ $50/hour here to cut out, drill spot welds, prep, align and hang on a decent car with a decent panel. Any previous welding, old repairs or filler and fibreglass always slows down the process a bit. I'd rather work on original rust, than someone elses hack job! Like everyone else says... On top of that you will probably need to address other issues once the 1/4 is off. wheelhouses and trunk extensions are a peice of cake once the 1/4 is out of the way!
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Re: Cost to have quarters replaced ?
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03/10/09 10:30 AM
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I average about 40 hrs each side. In western New York you can bet on replacing the wheelhouses, trunk extensions and more likely than not inner rocker repair. I can't see it being done properly in any less time. OE style panels will take less time than the old junk skins that folks still seem to want to use. The 300 savings on the skins vs. the OE panels gets eaten up real fast at the shop in extra work required.
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Re: Cost to have quarters replaced ?
[Re: sixpackbee]
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03/16/09 06:19 PM
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Book time to replace a factory quarter panel on an old mopar is usually 16 hours on a vinyl top car... 14-15 on a non-vinyl top car. That would be for one perfect NOS factory quarter panel on 1 car with no other issues and that does not take into consideration refinish time. Even in a perfect world, that will almost never happen..There are always other issues! 1) If the quarter needs to be replaced, usually the the trunk extension and the outer wheel house need to be replaced too... That adds time... figure 8 hours for both panels...each side... the actual book time is less than that, but that estimate is with NOS original factory parts NOT REPROS... Your now at 24 hours per side... not including the cost of the quarter panels the wheel houses or the extensions.. 2) If your replacing you trunk extensions the trunk floor will have to be replaced as well.. Add 8 hours for the trunk floor plus the cost of the floorpan...again they may want more time due to repro floor pan... 3) The E-Bodies also have issues with the rear window cowl (dutchman panel) add 6-8 hours for that) plus $125.00 for the panel. (if necessary) 4) the rear tail panel / lower rear valance may also need to be replaced. add for that as well... 5) Rear framerails may also be an issue..LOOK first before having the bodyshop replace this stuff Now add additional cost for seam sealer, epoxy primer, and undercoating... When finished the body shop should finish off the The inside (trunk floor) with at least 2 coats of epoxy primer, seam sealer and then paint..The factory did not use clearcoat on a trunk - you don't have to either... $$$$ most people do cuz it looks nice and shiny!  your paying for it! = it's up to you! The outside (underneath the trunk floor, the trunk extensions, and the inner wheel houses should have this done as well The outside of the quarter panels should have the EDP still in place...so you can leave that alone for now... Your easily looking at 80 hours * bodyshop rate (80*50) = 4000 for labor parts: Quarter panels $1000 (500 per side) outer wheel hous 500 (250 per side) trunk exten 140 (70 per side) trunk floor 300 plus shipping plus materials (seam sealer, epoxy primer etc).. Your in this for easily $6000 if the shop rate is 45 and hour maybe $5000... if you have to do the rear window cowl, tailpanel or valence - the cost goes up too..  Nothing like an old mopar! to help a man with a FAT wallet! FWIW, most body shops will NOT sign up for this job...(i.e repairing old cars most are late model collision only).. DO NOT SIGN UP FOR A TIME & MATERIALS quote from a body shop...that's a recipe for the poor house... Most will quote this knowing full well your not going to sign up for it. This is pleasant way of saying no thanks! Don't argue with them, smile and take it somewhere else. Regardless if this is a convertible or a hardtop, I would take it to a frame shop and make sure the frame is straight before cutting off any structural sheet metal. And yes, quarter panels, and trunk floors are structural panels... Hope this helps. Best of luck to you!
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Re: Cost to have quarters replaced ?
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03/17/09 12:34 AM
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I can't help but laugh when I read comments like "do it your self, they're easy" and 5 - 10 hours to replace a quarter panel! I guess if you just want your quarters hacked off and new ones put on over the rusty inner panels, then that shouldn't cost much. If you don't know the difference, why pay the difference. But keep in mind, if you plan on keeping the car, how much more work will be needed when all that crap starts showing up down the road. The fact is, it is very time consuming for a professional to replace quarters properly to where you can't tell they have been replaced and usually you open a can of worms once you've cut them off. I guess it all comes down to how nice do you want it and what's in your budget. By the way, I have replaced dozens of quarters in the past 30 years and I can't say any of them were "easy".
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Re: Cost to have quarters replaced ?
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03/17/09 07:23 AM
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I have tackled this issue myself on a 70 GTX. I have ended up replacing EVERY panel including both rockers and all 4 door posts!!! I have NEVER done any body work before I started this project. My mind set was that I needed a hobby so I have remained calm and I have the advantage of a great friend who builds cars for a living letting me do this in his shop under his tutelage. I have been at it for 9 months and just yesterday finished plug welding drilled spot weld holes to reattach both 1/4's. I average 1 day per week 8 hours working on it. I have MANY more days to go ...more welding at dutchman, and probably a week of nothing but grinding those welds flush THEN getting into the body finish process. What consumed lots of time was taking two cars apart so I could get one back together and I was lucky to find a donor with parts. To me, if I had the $$$ 7000 would have been a frickin steal!!! see my pain at http://s284.photobucket.com/albums/ll40/DariusCRCKBR/Bodywork%20Pics/
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Re: Cost to have quarters replaced ?
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03/17/09 08:12 AM
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When finished the body shop should finish off
the The inside (trunk floor) with at least 2 coats of epoxy primer, seam sealer and then paint..The factory did not use clearcoat on a trunk - you don't have to either... $$$$ most people do cuz it looks nice and shiny!
your paying for it! = it's up to you!
Actually the factory didnt use clear coat on the out side of the car either. You need to put some clear on the base, Base isnt meant to be a top coat. You dont however need 4 coats of clear in the trunk. 1 wet coat should be fine.
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if you have to do the rear window cowl,
tailpanel or valence - the cost goes up too..
If your using aftermarket quarters and valance you will run in to fitment issues with the valance. They never fit correctly.
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Re: Cost to have quarters replaced ?
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03/17/09 09:08 AM
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FWIW, most body shops will NOT sign up for
this job...(i.e repairing old cars most are
late model collision only)..
DO NOT SIGN UP FOR A TIME & MATERIALS quote
from a body shop...that's a recipe for the poor
house... Most will quote this knowing full well
your not going to sign up for it. This is
pleasant way of saying no thanks! Don't argue
with them, smile and take it somewhere else.
Getting a quoted price guarantees nothing.
A quoted price can be a recipe for disaster too... the shop gets backed into a corner when the price isn't enough and then the job gets rushed to keep the lights on or it gets pushed in the back to work on profitable projects.
There's a reason most of the top shelf restoration shops charge time & materials. (And it's not to push the work somewhere else.)
Finding an honest competent shop that knows Mopars is the key IMO.
Rick
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Re: Cost to have quarters replaced ?
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03/17/09 10:27 AM
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FWIW, most body shops will NOT sign up for
this job...(i.e repairing old cars most are
late model collision only)..
DO NOT SIGN UP FOR A TIME & MATERIALS quote
from a body shop...that's a recipe for the poor
house... Most will quote this knowing full well
your not going to sign up for it. This is
pleasant way of saying no thanks! Don't argue
with them, smile and take it somewhere else.
Getting a quoted price guarantees nothing.
A quoted price can be a recipe for disaster too... the shop gets backed into a corner when the price isn't enough and then the job gets rushed to keep the lights on or it gets pushed in the back to work on profitable projects.
There's a reason most of the top shelf restoration shops charge time & materials. (And it's not to push the work somewhere else.)
Finding an honest competent shop that knows Mopars is the key IMO.
Rick
Well, I agree with you on everything you said.
Overall I think the average guy who owns a mopar
which needs substantial body work is in a real
predicament.
They don't know how hard and time consuming it really is to redo these cars given most B and E
bodies need to be completely rebodied from
the rear windshield back.
Meaning quarters, cowl, outer wheelhouses, trunkfloor, extensions rear valance, etc.
plus work on the floorpans, fenders and lower doors etc...
And God save ANY mopar owner that has any frame issues which require a frame machine to pull and straighten it.
I have yet to EVER see a shop that will measure, pull and straigten an old mopar frame.
They will put them on a frame machine
(ala muscle car restorations) to replace sheet
metal to hold the structure in place.
I have never seen any articles in any of the mopar
mags, nor do you see this aspect of restoration
discussed anywhere...
Its amazing almost. You can go to a body shop
which does frame work, look inside and see cars that have literally gone airbourne and wrapped around a tree sitting on frame machines being
mesaured, pulled and straightened.
But ask them to look at your old mopar
where the front is diamond to the right slightly... they'll say
"That's not something we would do."
Only in America...Go figure!
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Re: Cost to have quarters replaced ?
[Re: elitecustombody]
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03/17/09 09:41 PM
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not looking in the book,average is about 12-16 hours to replace a quarter,as far as the difference between vert and hard top,I couldn't tell you much other than the obvious upper section where quarter glass goes and further where it wraps around towards the bottom corners of rear glass,so probably extra few hours there, in the end it shouldn't be more than 20 hours per side
Ask the guy who is do the job for the first time. That be me.  First off I started with a Goodmark skin.  The skin has about 2 hours in trimming before you can think about putting it on the car. There is another 2 hours to cut the quarter off. Yes it can be done quicker but this is a solid car that was in an accident and had the wrong year quarter put on. Figure an hour or two of triming to get a good gap before welding. I must of had the quarter on and off the car 50 times for trimming. Then I got the final gap where I felt comfortable welding it on. I spent 2 hours welding and grinding tonight. There's another 2 hour in welding left. That's 10 hours. There's another 4 hours to do finishing mud. Basically a week of nights and a weekend should get it ready. I was quoted $500 by a local resto shop. If I had to do it again I would do it myself. The job justified the price of me buying a welder. Be patient and keep the metal cool. If you get in a rush you will only create more work. 
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Re: Cost to have quarters replaced ?
[Re: belv2vert66]
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03/17/09 10:26 PM
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I guess I was lucky I didn't have rust. But that adds to the problem. All my inner stucture was clean. I just wire bruched off the dirt and had good metal. 
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Re: Cost to have quarters replaced ?
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I don't doubt this is a tough job. This is the reason I considered farming it out. I also understand the importance of doing a good job. However, I also have to weigh the cost of someone else doing the work. In the end, I just dont think I can swing someone else doing it. Maybe I could afford it somehow, but the likelihood of me making a decision and having it done is a stretch. I think I would rather spend a bit of money, get a welder, learn to do it myself and be proud. Will it be the best, maybe not. If it totally sucks I have the option of having a pro redo it. Hopefully not. I did not realize there was this such a huge price associated with this work. My thoughts were weigh off. But I think with time and patience a regular guy can do it. The car needs it and there really is no moral way I can get around it. If there was, I probably would skip the quarters for now, but they are surely toast.
There was a post a while back on the proper weigh to do this procedure, but I cant find it in the archive. Maybe someone will have it. I think from what I am hearing $5000 sounds like the average.
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Re: Cost to have quarters replaced ?
[Re: moparmojo]
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03/18/09 01:41 AM
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I'll replace all the quarters anyone wants for 5k a pair... much rather do that then sanding.
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