DIY friendlier painting options
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03/07/18 09:31 PM
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For the non cosmetic surfaces and most of the non interior metal bolt on piece parts for the car I am working on. I am looking for options and first account feed back on what works and does not work for refinishing options. No more rattle can 1k bs. I am not going to concours level over done detail here. More of an 'OE fresh' appearance that will provide a high level of protection for something that I intend to drive eventually as a part time daily commuter. Given the constraints I have to work with. Mostly very limited space and time that will be erratic for when I can do things I would like a product/system that is realistic in its user friendliness. A product that requires perfect 72 degree temp control, 48% humidity, no chance of rain for the next 5 days, in a sterile room setting and a full moon on a clear night the day prior to spraying or it wont work.. is not something I want to use. Absolute long term durability in the real world "drive it daily, its going to get wet and dirty" is the number 1 priority. I am more than ready to spend the money on a good system to a degree. Going back to the constraint on space and time most of the work will be done in batches. I understand there will always be some wasted product, but something that costs $1k/gallon and its not all going to be mixed and applied all at the same time... not so much. suggestions!
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Re: DIY friendlier painting options
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03/08/18 01:12 PM
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Stanton
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I just thinned it and sprayed it without activator. It still dried rock hard and is holding up fine. Hmmm, I tried that with Omni and a month later it was still tacky !! I use PPG Omni single stage for all the parts you describe - engine, trans, suspension, etc.. I prime with epoxy primer. I do all this stuff with either of the two cheapo Harbor Freight guns. Cleanup is the worst part. Parts that are not prone to seeing any damage are done with rattle cans, seat brackets, pedal mechanisms, etc.
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Re: DIY friendlier painting options
[Re: Stanton]
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03/08/18 09:58 PM
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I just thinned it and sprayed it without activator. It still dried rock hard and is holding up fine. Hmmm, I tried that with Omni and a month later it was still tacky !! I use PPG Omni single stage for all the parts you describe - engine, trans, suspension, etc.. I prime with epoxy primer. I do all this stuff with either of the two cheapo Harbor Freight guns. Cleanup is the worst part. Parts that are not prone to seeing any damage are done with rattle cans, seat brackets, pedal mechanisms, etc. you don't HAVE to use catalyst in ACRYLIC enamel. it will dry but it won't be as durable or hold a high gloss shine without catalyst. you HAVE to use a catalyst in URETHANE enamel. these are both single stage paints from PPG omni. omni type MAE acrylic enamel you can get away without catalyst. onmi MTK acrylic urethane enamel you HAVE to use catalyst.
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Re: DIY friendlier painting options
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03/08/18 10:14 PM
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Small parts that are subject to wear and tear can be powder coated.
I have also bought good car paint and painted small parts with a Preval sprayer from the hardware store. You wouldn't want to paint large sheetmetal parts with it, but for brackets and such it can look just as good as anything else if you get the reducer amount dialed in.
The Pro Grade Rustoleum paints in the tall silver cans are the best rattle can paint I have used. Very thick and glossy vs the others.
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Re: DIY friendlier painting options
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#2463397
03/08/18 10:38 PM
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Stanton
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Originally Posted By Stanton Quote: I just thinned it and sprayed it without activator. It still dried rock hard and is holding up fine.
Hmmm, I tried that with Omni and a month later it was still tacky !!
I use PPG Omni single stage for all the parts you describe - engine, trans, suspension, etc.. I prime with epoxy primer. I do all this stuff with either of the two cheapo Harbor Freight guns. Cleanup is the worst part.
Parts that are not prone to seeing any damage are done with rattle cans, seat brackets, pedal mechanisms, etc.
you don't HAVE to use catalyst in ACRYLIC enamel. it will dry but it won't be as durable or hold a high gloss shine without catalyst. you HAVE to use a catalyst in URETHANE enamel. these are both single stage paints from PPG omni. omni type MAE acrylic enamel you can get away without catalyst. onmi MTK acrylic urethane enamel you HAVE to use catalyst. I think its Omni MTX now. Anyway, it definitely wasn't MAE. I personally don't care for powder coat at all. It serves no purpose on parts that see no wear and tear and on parts that do it can't be touched up or easily redone when the parts do get chipped, scratched or scuffed. And while color selection is broad, it isn't as broad as paint and many powder coaters carry a limited range - you want something they don't have and you buy the whole box of powder. And I can paint a ton of parts for a fraction of powder coat costs.
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Re: DIY friendlier painting options
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03/09/18 10:56 AM
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i have to check the tech sheets but i think MTX is low VOC single stage acrylic urethane enamel.
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Re: DIY friendlier painting options
[Re: Stanton]
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03/09/18 12:18 PM
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And I can paint a ton of parts for a fraction of powder coat costs. You must be getting a wicked deal on paint then! 20 bucks of powder does brackets and small parts for ages. I can't even buy spray paint for what powder costs, don't even think about epoxy prime and single stage. Right now I'm in the process of building an oven large enough so I can do a motorcycle frame and other medium sized parts because a toaster oven isn't cutting it. For a lot of smaller stuff, spray paint is junk, it chips, scratches and rusts too easy and stays soft too long. Epoxy prime and single stage is great but way too much work for small parts. You're right, color selection is more limited. I don't really care but if you were trying to do a correct resto I could see it being an issue. For my driver quality stuff, plain black for suspension parts and hidden brackets and hinges is just fine.
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Re: DIY friendlier painting options
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03/09/18 01:33 PM
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Stanton
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You must be getting a wicked deal on paint then! 20 bucks of powder does brackets and small parts for ages. I can't even buy spray paint for what powder costs, don't even think about epoxy prime and single stage. Right now I'm in the process of building an oven large enough so I can do a motorcycle frame and other medium sized parts because a toaster oven isn't cutting it. For a lot of smaller stuff, spray paint is junk, it chips, scratches and rusts too easy and stays soft too long. Epoxy prime and single stage is great but way too much work for small parts. You're right, color selection is more limited. I don't really care but if you were trying to do a correct resto I could see it being an issue. For my driver quality stuff, plain black for suspension parts and hidden brackets and hinges is just fine. I'm comparing the cost for me to paint versus sending powder coat out to be done. I don't think many guys out there are willing to take the leap to do their own powder coating. The size of the oven you just mentioned is one very good reason.
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Re: DIY friendlier painting options
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03/09/18 01:39 PM
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I agree, even an old electric oven takes up space and cost some money to set up. How often will you use it?
For restoration to original, a lot of these components were simply dipped. Isn't there a specific paint for this simple process? It seems to me, this would be cheaper and easier than spraying or powder coating.
I have mechanical Aptitude. I can screw up anything.
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