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#2463137 - 03/08/18 12:51 PM Re: Any cutting for TKO600 or T56 install into a 68-70 B Body? [Re: DaytonaTurbo]
67autocross Offline
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Originally Posted By DaytonaTurbo
Originally Posted By clonedshaker+6
the passon 5 speed might be $5-6k or what ever it is but that is basically all you have to buy and maybe a clutch disc. if you go buy a tremec you need a cross member, drive shaft and yoke, bell housing, clutch linkage might change, a clutch, which all adds up and after all that you have trial and error making sure everything fits and driveline angles are correct. passon 5 speed is a true bolt in deal that can be done on a Saturday morning and out cruising by lunch time and keep your stock floor pans.. just my 2 cents


Yes but try getting your hands on one before you end up in the old folks home! laugh2


Have you priced getting one of those Passon 5 speeds to Canada...
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#2463181 - 03/08/18 02:13 PM Re: Any cutting for TKO600 or T56 install into a 68-70 B Body? [Re: BigHemiVegas]
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I now have 2 Passon A855's, no cutting direct bolt in, I wouldnt use anything else in a car I didnt want to hack on, awesome transmissions, well worth the wait.

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#2463511 - 03/08/18 10:29 PM Re: Any cutting for TKO600 or T56 install into a 68-70 B Body? [Re: 67autocross]
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Originally Posted By 67autocross
Parts might be available, but say in a few years the transmissions start failing ,the place goes out of business, or something happens to the owner.....you might wish you cut the floor.
Thats another reason I went with the T-56 Magnum. I’ve heard they’re some people thats already had problems with the 855 jumping out of gear and stuff.

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#2463558 - 03/08/18 11:59 PM Re: Any cutting for TKO600 or T56 install into a 68-70 B Body? [Re: 70RT Charger]
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Originally Posted By 70RT Charger
Originally Posted By 67autocross
Parts might be available, but say in a few years the transmissions start failing ,the place goes out of business, or something happens to the owner.....you might wish you cut the floor.
Thats another reason I went with the T-56 Magnum. I’ve heard they’re some people thats already had problems with the 855 jumping out of gear and stuff.


Through the years I have purchased some cottage industry motorcycles, after a few years you can’t get parts for them and the builders always go on to other things or close shop. In the end you end up with a nice 10 grand piece of garage art when it breaks .... But I’m not willing to spend $7500 Canadian on transmission that could end up being garage art in a few years.
In my opinion they should have sold the design of the transmission years ago to a larger vendor who could have produced 1000s of them every year....so I agree you made the right choice in a t56
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#2463567 - 03/09/18 12:44 AM Re: Any cutting for TKO600 or T56 install into a 68-70 B Body? [Re: RylisPro]
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I need to call Tremec tomorrow to verify the availablity of the 2.97 1st, 0.63 6th TUET16885 and TUET16884 versions. The part numbers have been released but as for actual transmissions being shipped out, I'm not 100% sure. Even if they are not available yet the wait shouldn't be that long.

An alternative would be the Magnum XL which has the extended tail section and may be a better shifter placement on some Mopars.

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#2463619 - 03/09/18 08:17 AM Re: Any cutting for TKO600 or T56 install into a 68-70 B Body? [Re: RylisPro]
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-Part# TUET11009 hydraulic clutch 
-Part# TUET11010 mechanical clutch 
2.66 1st 
1.78 2nd 
1.30 3rd 
1.00 4th 
0.80 5th 
0.63 6th 
2.90 Reverse

Isn't the mechanical clutch version just for Fords? Input shaft is shorter. I was told you can't run a mechanical clutch with a T56 Magnum.

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#2463687 - 03/09/18 10:15 AM Re: Any cutting for TKO600 or T56 install into a 68-70 B Body? [Re: BigHemiVegas]
67autocross Offline
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FYI For fellow Canadians I priced a t56 here and they are $4200 Canadian so basically the same price as buying out of the States without the shipping or boarder hassle
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#2463726 - 03/09/18 11:13 AM Re: Any cutting for TKO600 or T56 install into a 68-70 B Body? [Re: RTSE4ME]
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Yes the TUET11010 is designed for mech. clutch.

Per Tremec:
"GM-types (left) are modeled after the 1998-2002 F-car T-56, and Ford-types (right) follow the formula from the 2003-2004 Cobra (minus the factory 10-spline input shaft). What this means is that the Magnum will interface with nearly any stock or aftermarket bellhousing and many clutch systems intended for those applications."

There are 7 different Quicktime bellhousings for T56 to Mopar applications.
RM-6076 is for Small Mopar to Ford T56 height = 5.525 driver side starter
RM-6077 is for Big Mopar to Ford T56 height = 5.525
RM-8078 is for Gen3 Hemi to Ford T56 height = 5.525 passenger side starter.
Fast Fact: Russ McCombs was the founder of Quick Time bellhousings & why all the part numbers start with "RM".

67autocross: Good find on the $4200 Canadian price! I would be able to sell the regular T56 Magnum for roughly $300 Canadian less but would have to deal with the hassle of shipping over the border.
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#2463750 - 03/09/18 11:37 AM Re: Any cutting for TKO600 or T56 install into a 68-70 B Body? [Re: RylisPro]
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As for the TUET16885 and TUET16884 part numbers, bad news is Tremec says that no transmissions have been shipped out yet with no definite time table as of now. No dealer has them yet but a bunch of customers have been asking for them. Tremec says they will have an official announcement of the release date for the part numbers above.

Good news is that the
0.80 5th gear TUEN7118 & TUEE6045
0.63 6th gear TUEN7119 & TUEE6046
are available now to swap into a TUET11011 or TUET11012 if one were so inclined.

The 0.80 and 0.63 gears have way more demand than the 0.74 and 0.50 gears and are acutally able to hold up to a little more torque.

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#2463808 - 03/09/18 12:46 PM Re: Any cutting for TKO600 or T56 install into a 68-70 B Body? [Re: RylisPro]
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Bellhousing is for hydraulic clutch. Not sure why one would use the Ford version?



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#2463842 - 03/09/18 01:49 PM Re: Any cutting for TKO600 or T56 install into a 68-70 B Body? [Re: RTSE4ME]
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Not sure either? As you can see in the left to right comparison pic in my above post, the Ford version on the right has the mechanical fork pivot on it.

Typically most people will use the TUET11009 GM hydraulic clutch T56 Magnum in non Ford applications.

Its the same trans I have currently in my car as well as my spare T56 Magnum and it works great!
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#2464177 - 03/10/18 04:15 AM Re: Any cutting for TKO600 or T56 install into a 68-70 B Body? [Re: RylisPro]
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Originally Posted By RylisPro
Yes the TUET11010 is designed for mech. clutch.

Per Tremec:
"GM-types (left) are modeled after the 1998-2002 F-car T-56, and Ford-types (right) follow the formula from the 2003-2004 Cobra (minus the factory 10-spline input shaft). What this means is that the Magnum will interface with nearly any stock or aftermarket bellhousing and many clutch systems intended for those applications."

There are 7 different Quicktime bellhousings for T56 to Mopar applications.
RM-6076 is for Small Mopar to Ford T56 height = 5.525 driver side starter
RM-6077 is for Big Mopar to Ford T56 height = 5.525
RM-8078 is for Gen3 Hemi to Ford T56 height = 5.525 passenger side starter.
Fast Fact: Russ McCombs was the founder of Quick Time bellhousings & why all the part numbers start with "RM".

67autocross: Good find on the $4200 Canadian price! I would be able to sell the regular T56 Magnum for roughly $300 Canadian less but would have to deal with the hassle of shipping over the border.
Im using the RM-8073 for my 440 of course. What is the recommended starter for it? I’m using a mre 644 from Mancinis and it doesn’t fit correct, likes it’s a smudge to big. I had to grind just a tad off of the block just to get it to bolt on and it’s still touching the block a hair.

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#2464181 - 03/10/18 04:44 AM Re: Any cutting for TKO600 or T56 install into a 68-70 B Body? [Re: 70RT Charger]
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Hello,
To be completely honest I'm not quite sure why that type of starter does not fit as I have never run a big block? I use the same style Nippondenso starter on my old 340 and now my Gen3.

I hear there is acutally a later model truck starter 56029274AA that is a little smaller and may fit better that others have used, but since I have never held it I can't confirm 100%
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#2464289 - 03/10/18 11:39 AM Re: Any cutting for TKO600 or T56 install into a 68-70 B Body? [Re: BigHemiVegas]
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This 6 speed that is supposed to be the last word in overdrive transmissions is not the holy grail. eek Your grail is for hot rods and requires skill and fabrication and most of all $$$$ to install. It is not for the person with the 4 speed mopar car that want his cake and eat it too. That's called a "bolt in" 5 speed by Passon.

weld What does the sawzall "skill and fabrication" cost. sawzall

shruggy

Not everyone is a fabricator so you have to pay. wrench

Then there is the rest of the story with all the other "stuff" and labor required to complete the job 100%. What does that cost? shruggy

Show me the money on the bottom line popcorn

The Passon 5 speed is a home run for those of us that do not want to reinvent the wheel when wanting overdrive without complications.
It's very ideal for 4.10s if you do the math. drive

Transmissions are shipped weekly and the demand has not waned. There are many factors involved in trying to bring a product like this to fruition so the remarks that have been posted are juvenile at best. If there were any issues of one of Passon's transmissions Jamie has taken care of it - so posting hearsay like has been done is just rude and uncalled for.

Don't forget Dayclona is a paid spokesperson for the holy grail six speeds. drive

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#2464325 - 03/10/18 12:52 PM Re: Any cutting for TKO600 or T56 install into a 68-70 B Body? [Re: Dilbert]
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Originally Posted By Dilbert


Don't forget Dayclona is a paid spokesperson for the holy grail six speeds. drive



Geez...last time you ran your dribble I was the paid spokesman for Keisler, now it's 6 speeds?...

I'm still waiting to get paid for my "endorsements"..lol!

let's face it, 6 spds are where's it at for the consumer that wants a better performance upgrade, Passon's 5 spd while probably a great product is a decade too late in the making as well as late to the game with customers still waiting YEARS for a purchase, for the dedicated enthusiast cost is secondary to the modifications one needs to make regarding a 6 spd install, or installing the "other" mfg's 5 spds on the market, besides the fact they want to drive their car now, rather than years from now when the other offering gets around to checking off their intergalactic decade old back order waiting list to produce a transmission for purchase or developing their application... personally I don't care what an individual does to their vehicle, but if I can assist them with knowledge or personal experience learned I will, just like other's here do...which unfortunately you have always seemed incapable of?

I'm surprised your still here seeing you bailed out of the hobby sometime ago and upped and sold your junk?..."but hey trolls be trolling" I guess?...

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#2467125 - 03/15/18 08:55 PM Re: Any cutting for TKO600 or T56 install into a 68-70 B Body? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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Originally Posted By ScottSmith_Harms
I now have 2 Passon A855's, no cutting direct bolt in, I wouldnt use anything else in a car I didnt want to hack on, awesome transmissions, well worth the wait.

*international exchange rates apply to any brand you buy, no US vendor can control what the Canadian dollar is doing


I think that is the issue though. Some guys have multiple and others cant get their hands on even one and are still waiting.

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#2468634 - 03/19/18 02:18 PM Re: Any cutting for TKO600 or T56 install into a 68-70 B Body? [Re: BigHemiVegas]
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Originally Posted By BigHemiVegas
Originally Posted By DAYCLONA
Originally Posted By DaytonaTurbo
Sounds like the passon OD gear set would go a good option and be the closest to fit in your budget and be totally stock-fitting. The .8 OD ratio is a bit of a bummer though.



with a .80 OD, it's not even worth the effort or expense for so little a gain IMHO, besides the fact the OP never alluded to any indication if his car was already 833 equipped?


Yeah the car is a 1968 Charger factory 4speed 383 car so I really didnt want to alter the shifter hump in it.

Basically it wouldnt bother me to alter the trans crossmember but I didnt want to alter the cars sheetmetal on the trans tunnel or the shifter hump itself.

The Passon .80 ratio OD gearset is really not even worth the trouble as it wouldnt drop the RPM by much at all.


Just cut the car, it's not a Hemi R/T survivor and whatever you cut out can be welded back in ... or get in line and pony up the extra cash for a Passon 5spd.
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#2468959 - 03/20/18 06:52 AM Re: Any cutting for TKO600 or T56 install into a 68-70 B Body? [Re: Dilbert]
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Originally Posted By Dilbert
This 6 speed that is supposed to be the last word in overdrive transmissions is not the holy grail. eek Your grail is for hot rods and requires skill and fabrication and most of all $$$$ to install. It is not for the person with the 4 speed mopar car that want his cake and eat it too. That's called a "bolt in" 5 speed by Passon.



5 years from now I can get Tremec parts with 100% certainty. If I had issues with a Passion trans, would I be able to get parts? 10 years?

Put me on the list of 6spd proponents, not paid though.
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#2468982 - 03/20/18 08:11 AM Re: Any cutting for TKO600 or T56 install into a 68-70 B Body? [Re: GoodysGotaCuda]
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I think it depends on what you are starting with. If was I converting an auto car I would think the t56 would be the way to
go. Since, either way you going to buy all the conversion pieces. The fab work isn't that difficult its not like your building a tube chassis.
If you have a 4sp car it would be a harder decision since in the end both costs about the same. I guess it would come down how modified your existing car is. Never understood guys with 600hp stroker engines and subframe connectors worried about cutting their car.

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#2469106 - 03/20/18 11:38 AM Re: Any cutting for TKO600 or T56 install into a 68-70 B Body? [Re: BigHemiVegas]
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If you already have a 4 speed I would do the Passon 4 speed overdrive for a couple of thousand bucks.... for a conversion from automatic T56.
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