Re: where did you put your proportioning valve?
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Baer sells a master cylinder with the ability to mount a prop valve to the bottom of it. So in their mind it doesn't seem you can get to close to the master, they seem to know what they are doing.
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Re: where did you put your proportioning valve?
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Never used one, never had to. Use the correct MC with the correct bore size and the bias built in, and plumbed correctly according to your combination (tire sizes, caliper sizes) and it just always works. If you use any old auto parts store master and don't know the bias, it's trial and error.
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Re: where did you put your proportioning valve?
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That would make for a very nice clean set up. I too just converted to wilwood discs on front and rear after 30 yrs with stock fronts and wilwood rears.
I will have to see if I need to change out my old master cylinder. If so this may be an option.
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Re: where did you put your proportioning valve?
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I mounted the proportioning valve in the rear circuit. I put some rivnuts into the subframe connector and mounted the valve so that the adjustment knob just pokes through the floor between my knees when I'm driving. And I found a rubber grommet with an ID the size of the top of the prop valve housing. I slid that into the floor sheet metal and then slid the prop valve into the ID and then bolted it to the subframe connector. I'm not sure if it is really watertight since the car never sees the rain.
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Re: where did you put your proportioning valve?
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Re: where did you put your proportioning valve?
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My street car is set up like DVW is, easy to reach BTW, don't forget to remove the residual valve from the M.C.
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Re: where did you put your proportioning valve?
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Jay, I'm mounting mine between the front hoop bar and the kick panel. I've moved all my lines from the engine compartment to under the dash area. Let me know if you want a picture.
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Re: where did you put your proportioning valve?
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Proportioner goes in the front system. Large rear drag tires will over come skinny fronts. When I first used Will Woods in 93 we wiped a pair of rotors in one season. It was the pad material. That 2nd pair of rotors were good until 2016. Two different cars, same set of rotors transfered to a faster car. Doug DVW, Why does the valve have a front and rear in port and 2 - front and 1-rear out port?
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Re: where did you put your proportioning valve?
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Proportioner goes in the front system. Large rear drag tires will over come skinny fronts. When I first used Will Woods in 93 we wiped a pair of rotors in one season. It was the pad material. That 2nd pair of rotors were good until 2016. Two different cars, same set of rotors transfered to a faster car. Doug DVW, Why does the valve have a front and rear in port and 2 - front and 1-rear out port? Valve has 1 in then 1 out going to the line lock. Line lock has 1 in, 2 out with 1 of them plugged as the front line T is further down. Doug
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Re: where did you put your proportioning valve?
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If the M.C. is above the highest point on the brakes like a stock Mopar has then the residual valve maintains pressures on the pads not letting them retract all the way, no need for the valve on disc. in my opinion I installed a SSBC front disc kit on my 1955 Dodge Coronet and used a later model Mopar brand aluminum dual piston M.C. for a later car that had disc brake application that I assumed that the residual valve was not there, it was and when I would push the car out of the shop into the sun the change in brake fluid temp. would make the car harder to push back, untightening the front brake line cured that when it burped fluid out of the fitting I'm building a 1940 Ford Tudor sedan with 4 wheel disc with the M.C. mounted under the floors and I used the Wilwood 3 lbs. residual valves in both lines to avoid allowing the fluid to drain back into the M.C. over filling it and making me have to pump the brakes to stop
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Re: where did you put your proportioning valve?
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Threw it out....Neither of my cars has one.... never ever? all in know is that with Wilwood/drum combo and "nothing" I'm eating up real estate getting my junk stopped, and my 3rd set of front rotors should be here tomorrow. The thought crossed my mind to simply install the rear discs (Strange) and see how things go, but I'll most likely throw the valve on.
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Re: where did you put your proportioning valve?
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where did you put your proportioning valve?
In a box on the garage shelf. Bias seems good with Wilwood 4 wheel disc on my junk. I would try it first.
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Re: where did you put your proportioning valve?
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Threw it out....Neither of my cars has one.... never ever? all in know is that with Wilwood/drum combo and "nothing" I'm eating up real estate getting my junk stopped, and my 3rd set of front rotors should be here tomorrow. The thought crossed my mind to simply install the rear discs (Strange) and see how things go, but I'll most likely throw the valve on. Both cars are big tires pro-street types with Willwoods on all four corners....My chassis guy said to throw it out...So I did...That was many years ago...Sure simplifies the Line Line plumbing.
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Re: where did you put your proportioning valve?
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Can't say that I don't agree with the "splice just makes one more place to leak" theory I've read the MW manifesto Doug. That was linked on another rear brake discussion quite awhile back. I "kind of" thought the rear drums should work for my deal, but like I stated earlier, since getting the W8 mill running we've been killing front rotors a lot sooner than I prefer. I was also a little leary of the "skid test" you noted, although it probably falls into the better than nothing bin. I'm running the Wilwood 150-8850K pads "Wilwood Smart Pad BP-10 brake pads feature a medium-friction compound with the low noise and low dust of a street performance compound, plus the increased friction characteristics of a semi-metallic race compound. They have smooth engagement, with consistent response from a flat torque curve throughout their entire effective temperature range. These pads have good low-to-middle temperature wear rates and they bed quickly and provide a fast response without excessive abrasion on vented iron rotors. They are ideal for a variety of high performance street/strip, drag race, and track-day categories using vented iron rotors. They also provide light-to-medium braking on dirt tracks, including late models, Modifieds, sportsman, and street stocks" my new front rotors (solid, not slotted) should be here today, and I stock pads for them now (another lesson learned) so maybe we'll try it without the valve and see how it goes.
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Re: where did you put your proportioning valve?
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With the correct pedal ratio and master cylinder you should not need an adjustable proportioning valve. I have not had one on a car in YEARS. To include the RJ car in the garage with Carbon Brakes.
IMO the Wilwood pads are part of the issue IMO. We switched to Hawk pads and have never looked back.
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Re: where did you put your proportioning valve?
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Jay the big tires go in the back.. ... I do not have a valve on my car...
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Re: where did you put your proportioning valve?
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where did you put your proportioning valve?
In a box on the garage shelf. Bias seems good with Wilwood 4 wheel disc on my junk. I would try it first. Same brakes, same results.
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Re: where did you put your proportioning valve?
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So...some think it goes on the front, some think it goes on the rear, some are having trouble stopping their car and want to reduce braking one end or the other to fix it.
Big tires on the back, skinnies up front, you can't have the fronts doing the majority of the work. That will wreck you.
How many door cars are out there with 2 little calipers up front and 4 four piston calipers on back? They aren't out there spinning around in circles in the lights.
Which port of your MC delivers the highest volume or are they equal? You need to know.
I've seen Wilwood calipers that look like other company's parts, but the bores are substantially smaller. They will not work the same. What size are the bores of your calipers?
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