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The good, bad, and ugly...deep oil pans for a 440
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03/02/09 02:20 PM
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I need to purchase a couple deep oil pans here shortly. The application is a 69 b-body. What are your experiences with milodon, moroso, and 440 source? At the price, the 440 source sound like a good deal. Is it too good to be true? I did a search and about the only complaints I heard was the notching of their windage tray, and one guy had some pinholes in the weld around the drain plug. I don't have any complaints with my moroso pan and I run a pretty tall tire so I don't worry too much about clearance. So what can you guys tell me. THX in advance, especially since this topic has been covered before.
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Re: The good, bad, and ugly...deep oil pans for a 440
[Re: B G Racing]
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03/02/09 07:57 PM
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Try Charlies Oil Pans in Ohio.Custom fit and reasonable prices. 
and great for leaking oil 
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Re: The good, bad, and ugly...deep oil pans for a 440
[Re: B G Racing]
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03/02/09 09:30 PM
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Try Charlies Oil Pans in Ohio.Custom fit and reasonable prices.
Hope your kidding....My leaks at every welded seem, even though I specified billet rail, I got a scrap welded one. Not to mention, they couldn't read the CAD print I had sent them for the pan I ordered. Front was off from the print over an inche, and they deleted my dipstick tube that was specified as well. Sorry, but they make total junk!!!!! 
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Re: The good, bad, and ugly...deep oil pans for a 440
[Re: Dragula]
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03/02/09 09:35 PM
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milidon low profile 7 quarts oilpan
on my 72 duster and 72 roadrunner
you need to grind off the lip on the K frame on the pass side
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Re: The good, bad, and ugly...deep oil pans for a 440
[Re: dirtybee]
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03/02/09 10:46 PM
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i like the looks of this 440 source pan but....
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Re: The good, bad, and ugly...deep oil pans for a 440
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03/02/09 10:58 PM
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I make my own always from a stock pan. Usually change drain hole to the front so i can service the car easier. Have made deep but usually a semi deep pan is my favourite. Add about 1 1/4" to the pan sump. Have also made "bump out" pans like the early nascar pans from stock mopar pan. They work real well, especially for road racing. They fit the stock chassis and dont hang down at all despite holding 8 US qts. They are fun to make and it doesnt take long to do. Cleanng is the big deal. I usually gas weld them but have migged them too although gas weldng is much more fun.
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Re: The good, bad, and ugly...deep oil pans for a 440
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03/02/09 11:11 PM
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I make my own always from a stock pan. Usually change drain hole to the front so i can service the car easier. Have made deep but usually a semi deep pan is my favourite. Add about 1 1/4" to the pan sump. Have also made "bump out" pans like the early nascar pans from stock mopar pan. They work real well, especially for road racing. They fit the stock chassis and dont hang down at all despite holding 8 US qts. They are fun to make and it doesnt take long to do. Cleanng is the big deal. I usually gas weld them but have migged them too although gas weldng is much more fun.
Don
yep, Thats what I do other than I add a 2" wide strip to mine.
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Re: The good, bad, and ugly...deep oil pans for a 440
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03/02/09 11:25 PM
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I got a 440 source 8 qt. $79.00 one on my barracuda, 7" deep bolted right up , it is to deep for mine. wheel stands have shortened it up some but it still doesn't leak. I think I'm going to go back to making my own so it's not to deep, maybe put on a kick out.I'd like to have one of their aluminum ones but those are 8" deep and 10 qt's is a little much. 10 qt pan, 2 qt filter 3 qt accusump $$$$$$$$$. 
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Re: The good, bad, and ugly...deep oil pans for a 440
[Re: rowin4]
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03/02/09 11:32 PM
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becarefull that 10 quart oilpan DONT fit a A body hole is in the wrong location and rubs the centerlink but it makes a great flower pot !!!!!!!! 
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Re: The good, bad, and ugly...deep oil pans for a 440
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03/02/09 11:33 PM
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any body have pics of there homemade oilpans ???
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Re: The good, bad, and ugly...deep oil pans for a 440
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03/02/09 11:39 PM
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Ya, i know it didn't fit, it would be nice if they made one for a a -body about 5 1/2" deep.
it's ok to butt heads, just don't do it with a butthead
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Re: The good, bad, and ugly...deep oil pans for a 440
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03/02/09 11:42 PM
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I've used both the Moroso and Milodon,and I like the Moroso better.It fits best with my headers.
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Re: The good, bad, and ugly...deep oil pans for a 440
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03/02/09 11:56 PM
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While I can Fab my own, the 440source oilpans are hard to beat pricewize IMO, mike
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Re: The good, bad, and ugly...deep oil pans for a 440
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Re: The good, bad, and ugly...deep oil pans for a 440
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03/03/09 03:41 PM
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any body have pics of there homemade oilpans ???
ryobi jig saw, hitachi sander, orbit pulse mig & wolah! this baby holds 10 litres & only hangs 3/4 inch below the K frame. even made my own perforated baffle system.
Just a note, screens should only be used in conjunction with a anti splash back device. The oil can splash up into the rotateing assembly on hard braking or hard accel. On faster cars, this can be bad.
Mine has a scraper, a front reversion lip, trap door, dipstick tube, windage tray, and swinging pick-up.
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Re: The good, bad, and ugly...deep oil pans for a 440
[Re: AndyF]
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03/03/09 05:51 PM
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These new Milodon pans seem to work pretty well but they only fit the Magnum Force or AlterK type front suspensions.
I have that model pan for my Challenger. but mine was modified 35+ years ago along with the k-member made to fit
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Re: The good, bad, and ugly...deep oil pans for a 440
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03/03/09 06:34 PM
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Just to coment on how bad the pan I recieved was, the swinging pick-up was hitting the back of the pan, which could not be left that way, the welded junk seems leak in so many spots its not funny, no dipstick tube, yet it was specified, the front of the pan hit the k-member, yet was over an inch off the CAD print and it had to be milled off and re-done. The back rail of the pan was sooo wide, it hit the main cap studs, and the studs had to be cut down to allow the pan to fit. I guess they only use stock bolts on high end engines. Not to mention I had to do this with the engine in the car.
I am sorry, but for well over $700, you would have to give me it for free to get another one from them. As far as I am concerned, they owe me a pan to the print without the aweful leaky welded rails, JUNK!
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Re: The good, bad, and ugly...deep oil pans for a 440
[Re: Dragula]
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03/03/09 11:40 PM
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Just to coment on how bad the pan I recieved was, the swinging pick-up was hitting the back of the pan, which could not be left that way, the welded junk seems leak in so many spots its not funny, no dipstick tube, yet it was specified, the front of the pan hit the k-member, yet was over an inch off the CAD print and it had to be milled off and re-done. The back rail of the pan was sooo wide, it hit the main cap studs, and the studs had to be cut down to allow the pan to fit. I guess they only use stock bolts on high end engines. Not to mention I had to do this with the engine in the car.
I am sorry, but for well over $700, you would have to give me it for free to get another one from them. As far as I am concerned, they owe me a pan to the print without the aweful leaky welded rails, JUNK!
I have to jump in with an AMEN here...my dragster pan fit like crap...wouldn't clear the main studs on the rear cap...fixed that by grinding clearance in the pan  ...then...didn't notice that the back edge of the pan was too wide and fouled against the mid plate...after...I had it installed on the engine and was bolting the mid plate on ...had to pull the pan back off and cut the back edge off...like said above...you would think for that price they would account for main studs and mid plates...I mean it's a dragster pan for goodness sake...we all run mid plates...
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Re: The good, bad, and ugly...deep oil pans for a 440
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I dont have a decent picture but when I did the motor for the practice car for the NASCAR RETURNS TO LEMANS project(Christophe Schwartz and friends)because the car was a road racer and many of its miles would be on normal streets but under racing circumstances i didnt want a pan hanging down so i would get a phone call in the middle of the night. (Halfe mich, Don). I bought a Hemi repo pan brand new. I bought two 45 dergee bends of 2 1/2 inch od exhaust tubing. I sliced the bends so they fit on the side of the hemi pan but no longer than the sump. I made a large window in each side of the pan, flush at the bottom and then welded the slices of the bends on. I made sure the oil could get in an out easily but still had some baffeling at the ends. I cleaned it till i had nighmares about it and when i was satisfied I painted it and installed it with the Mopar windage tray. The block which is a 400 I had redrilled for a hemi pick up but I used the crooked short one from MP. Not the long straight one. It worked out perfect and has stood 3 years of abuse in Europe. It fits the stock chassis (72 Charger. ) and holds 7 QTZ. It meets the critieria of a Qt of oil for every 1000 RPM. That is my rule of thumb since I cammed this engine to make all its power under 6500 because if you dont finish you cant win. I think I would make myself one sometime for my max wedge car as well. I like the idea of having the extra capacity , having it stored away from the spinning crank and having no worries about hiting anything wth the oil pan no matter what happens.In my cruiser a 63 Dodge max Wedge 426 I have a homebuilt hanging down about 1 inch. It wuld be nice to have the same volume with out the worry of wacking the pan on something or hitting something left on the road like a big chunk of firewood or even a big racoon.
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Re: The good, bad, and ugly...deep oil pans for a 440
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03/05/09 01:05 AM
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since we're all posting pics., does anyone have a good pic. of what the "hinge" side of a trap door system looks like? (sorry for the hijack)
Sorry no pic but its nothing trick, a few holes on
the wall that goes across the pan then on the rear
side of the wall is just a flat plate with a wire
for a top hinge. The plate lays flush against the wall
to seal off the holes when the oil sloshes forward
on braking , swings open on acceleration
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Re: The good, bad, and ugly...deep oil pans for a 440
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since we're all posting pics., does anyone have a good pic. of what the "hinge" side of a trap door system looks like? (sorry for the hijack)
Sorry no pic but its nothing trick, a few holes on
the wall that goes across the pan then on the rear
side of the wall is just a flat plate with a wire
for a top hinge. The plate lays flush against the wall
to seal off the holes when the oil sloshes forward
on braking , swings open on acceleration
well, what i was really curious about, was if there's a stop of some sort to keep the trap door from going past 90*. i would think that it would be a nessisity(sp) to keep the door from being held open by oil sloshing back towards the front. 
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Re: The good, bad, and ugly...deep oil pans for a 440
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03/06/09 12:11 AM
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since we're all posting pics., does anyone have a good pic. of what the "hinge" side of a trap door system looks like? (sorry for the hijack)
Sorry no pic but its nothing trick, a few holes on
the wall that goes across the pan then on the rear
side of the wall is just a flat plate with a wire
for a top hinge. The plate lays flush against the wall
to seal off the holes when the oil sloshes forward
on braking , swings open on acceleration
well, what i was really curious about, was if there's a stop of some sort to keep the trap door from going past 90*. i would think that it would be a nessisity(sp) to keep the door from being held open by oil sloshing back towards the front.
Yes. Mine has the hinge pin that extends out and is bent such that it only allows it to open so far. I do not have a picture of it.
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