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Anybody ever run the MP 3.51" SB crank?
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Thinking about doing a low buck 318 stroker.....stock rods stock slugs just rebalancing the new Crank (maybe cutting the CW's for clearance if needed) for the stock 318 bobweight. The way it looks the factory slugs in my 1988 roller shortblock (30K original miles) are .110 down in the hole....with the new 3.51 vs 3.31 crank it should put her right at zero deck. This would make for a ~10:1 337" motor vs a maybe 8:1 318....if it all works out. BTW anyone know the approximate standard factory Bobweight of a 318 motor? I figured i'd square deck and deckplate hone the factory block to standard size and balance the existing rods/pistons with some new ARPs and call it a day. I bought a regrind cam (for $119.00) 236/240 @.050, .520/.540 lift....I figure I might need to Eyebrow the slugs a touch. I call this my 'lack of Stimulus' Package motor, probably gonna sell some laying around parts to fund the project 
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Re: Anybody ever run the MP 3.51" SB crank?
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what happened to all the smallblock guys??  Think it would be kind of cool to build a 318 based bracket motor, thought about a 4" stroke but it' been a while so I think a 337" mini stroker would be kind of fun. Of course I could just go the 318 route with a set of the KB167's like Stve Dulcich did...the 3.51 stroke cranks aren't too hard to find so I can pick one up about as cheap as a cut down main 360.
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Re: Anybody ever run the MP 3.51" SB crank?
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umm...you mean Daihatsu!! Actually I'm rearranging the letters onthe grille to spell Da $h!T  Tranny is out right now for new 9" converter but I hope to be racing within a few weeks.
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Re: Anybody ever run the MP 3.51" SB crank?
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what happened to all the smallblock guys??
Think it would be kind of cool to build a 318 based bracket motor, thought about a 4" stroke but it' been a while so I think a 337" mini stroker would be kind of fun.
Of course I could just go the 318 route with a set of the KB167's like Stve Dulcich did...the 3.51 stroke cranks aren't too hard to find so I can pick one up about as cheap as a cut down main 360.
This board is chock full of sb guys! I am rounding up parts to build a nice strong but reliable 360 right now.
I have a 48° R1 block, 48° W2 heads, TD rockers, custom Ross pistons, blank cam core, Scat rods, and now my 3.58" lightweight scat crank is on the way.
I'm only shooting for 620HP, so that's pretty boring to most guys probably. My goal is to run low 10's just about anywhere and maybe a tip-toe into the 9's on a good day 
I'm more thrilled with the wheels up launch, so I will continue to focus more on that!!
I'll probably start on the heads in the next couple of weeks, so I'll post some pics and info when that happens.
I like short stroke engines generally, they rev quick and seem to e.t. well compared to strokers...
Brian
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Re: Anybody ever run the MP 3.51" SB crank?
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03/02/09 12:00 AM
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I am not ryan or brian but I do know the 59* angle is left from the poly motors. PR angle is not near as bad on them and they kinda go through a notch in the block. You can put LA heads on a poly block but not the other way around, at least not without a lot of grinding, welding, an more grinding.
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Re: Anybody ever run the MP 3.51" SB crank?
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Hey, Wise I have a New MP 4529711 3.55 stroke crank I will sell cheap.
I am sure that it will not hurt those pistons to be above the deck a Wee bit.
How cheap????
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Re: Anybody ever run the MP 3.51" SB crank?
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03/02/09 08:39 AM
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Built pretty much exactly what you are describing. Used some low compression truck pistons 040over though. Nets to a 344. Can probably provide you dyno numbers by the end of the week.
It is running and seems fine currently.
1967 Fury III 4door HT
tiny 318, late model roller block, bored and stroked to 344
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Re: Anybody ever run the MP 3.51" SB crank?
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Dont forget to factor in the cost of an 8 bolt flex plate or flywheel with that crank. I believe they were all 8 bolt.
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Re: Anybody ever run the MP 3.51" SB crank?
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correct, they have 8 bolts on the flexplate. Needed to get the right B&M-plate
1967 Fury III 4door HT
tiny 318, late model roller block, bored and stroked to 344
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Re: Anybody ever run the MP 3.51" SB crank?
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Can anybody answer the typical 318 bobweight question? I know factory 340 slugs are a bunch heavier than the 318's.
I've never built a 318 in my life, so no can't help you with a typical 318 bobweight. Lighter than a stock 340.... that's about all I could say for sure 318 rods are also much lighter than 340/360 rods... 273 would be even better  I have couple of those laying around if anyone wants them.
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Re: Anybody ever run the MP 3.51" SB crank?
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03/03/09 12:05 AM
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Adam, Thanks for that link! that's a nice strong basic reliable combo! 318s get no respect but with the advent of strokers and due to the fact that there's probably 100 times more 318 blocks out here than allthe 340's and 360's combined it just makes sense to give them some love! I'm just looking for a basic 400horse motor to push ~2900 pounds into the low 11's, I like the idea of a near stock sized forged crank cause I do want to do at least one more 340. The 3.55 would actually give me about 1/2 point of much needed compression for the combo I'm working on....  if I can get the parts I want together and all the stars fall in line this will be an interesting little rev-happy motor! Thanks! Bobby
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Re: Anybody ever run the MP 3.51" SB crank?
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with the Federal Mogul pistons I used I had to do some grinding on the skirt to clear the crank.
1967 Fury III 4door HT
tiny 318, late model roller block, bored and stroked to 344
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Re: Anybody ever run the MP 3.51" SB crank?
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Well it looks like I'm getting the 3.55" from Darrel, (thanks for the pass...Brian!!) getting a set of the MP 6" Aluminum rods from a guy right here in NC and I figure I'll get a set of the 507 gram KB167 9.5:1 flat tops with 1.81" CH....that all adds up to 9.585" and about 10.5:1 with 63cc E heads and 341" of super light bobweight. I fugure the Hydraulic roller is gonna limit the motor to around 6500rpm but the rods ought to go plenty of laps (especially 1/8th mile) with that very limited crank speed. It'll be a low buck but very unique small block combination that ought to run pretty well. 
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Re: Anybody ever run the MP 3.51" SB crank?
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I've considered a similar setup but using some of the Howard Racing 6" powderforged rods and a turned down 360 crank. I presume the 6" rods you're using are SBC size? what are you going to do about the pin size difference? bore the little end out and rebush? once I priced out all that mickey-mousing to get "off the shelf" parts to work (reworking the rods to fit a mopar pin, turning the crank down, etc) it is less expensive to just look for a roller cam 360 block (or magnum) and use the stock rods, crank, and KB107's, or go for a 4" crank and the KB forged pistons for a 318/390....
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Re: Anybody ever run the MP 3.51" SB crank?
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They're 6" MP rods standard SBM 'big & littles' This is what we'll call a 340 (341 actually) the hard way.
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Re: Anybody ever run the MP 3.51" SB crank?
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Just bought the rods (thanks Moparts) and the pistons (KB167's) today, ready for the crank when Darrel PM's me.... flo....looking forward to the results. BBranger...thanks for the piston ifo...The KB167's have the valve reliefs (which I'll need with .520/.540 lift) and will be near zero deck (10.5:1)and the price is good too!! When I did the math and saw how the 6" alums and the kb167s will work with that 3.55 stroke and ~340" it looks like a slam-dunk bracket motor.
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Re: Anybody ever run the MP 3.51" SB crank?
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Here's a pic of the KB167 318 slugs. If you notice with the 1.81" compression height it appears that there is just not that much skirt below the pin...possibly to the point where the crank CW might not need a whole lot inthe way of clearancing....time will tell after I mock it up but compared to the other 2 piston pics above it looks to me like there might possibly be enough room for adequate clearance even with a .123" shorter C to C rod.  Brian this is what I wanted to check, if I can save not having to whittle down the counterweight radius....that'll be a good thing. Thanks!
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Re: Anybody ever run the MP 3.51" SB crank?
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03/03/09 11:33 PM
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Please keep us updated when you mock things up, interesting subject.
Thanks,
Ran
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Re: Anybody ever run the MP 3.51" SB crank?
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318s have better bore to stroke ratios than 350s and SBC400s 426 hemis and 440s, also have better rod/stroke ratios.
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