Re: FiTech Fuel Injection
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My opinion is Throttle body EFI is a waste of time & money.
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Re: FiTech Fuel Injection
[Re: OrangeProwler]
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I have it on my '89 Diplomat with small block stroked 360. I had mechanic install and setup and I'm happy with it. I have better starts now than with carb, which was my main reason for purchasing. I was tired of dealing with difficult idle with cold starts and even some trouble with hot starts. I think throttle response is better too but can't be certain. I may have already squeezed every bit out of the engine. I did have to return the first Fuel Command Center to Summit due to failure of the pump, but had no problems and received a new one quickly and cost free.
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Re: FiTech Fuel Injection
[Re: OrangeProwler]
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My opinion is Throttle body EFI is a waste of time & money. But TBI is a fraction of the cost of port injection.
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Re: FiTech Fuel Injection
[Re: OrangeProwler]
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Before purchasing anything, join FiTech owners group on FB. Really get a feeling if it's for you or not, prior to getting involved.
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Re: FiTech Fuel Injection
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these are worthwhile to help you enjoy a car that otherwise would have a less than optimized carb on it. are the be all end all for performance and tuneability? NO. but its a pretty good system. don't waste time with the fuel command center. My experience exactly, makes the car just so much more enjoyable to drive. Just got tired of all the carb related issues. So nice to jump in car and have it start immediately, hot or cold. More responsive, no stumbles.......
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Re: FiTech Fuel Injection
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My opinion is Throttle body EFI is a waste of time & money. But TBI is a fraction of the cost of port injection. A large fraction maybe depending on who's system you go with. The ONLY slight downfall to TBI IMHO is you are still depending on the manifold and airflow to deliver the fuel. Port injection gives you the advantage of being able to trim fuel, cylinder to cylinder which unless emissions is your concern is not much of an advantage for the average user. Kevin
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Re: FiTech Fuel Injection
[Re: OrangeProwler]
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Port injection gives you the advantage of being able to trim fuel, cylinder to cylinder which unless emissions is your concern is not much of an advantage for the average user. Only if you have sensors on each exhaust post - adding even more cost to port injection. TBI is by far the simplest and most economical route to go.
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Re: FiTech Fuel Injection
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these are worthwhile to help you enjoy a car that otherwise would have a less than optimized carb on it. are the be all end all for performance and tuneability? NO. but its a pretty good system. don't waste time with the fuel command center. My experience exactly, makes the car just so much more enjoyable to drive. Just got tired of all the carb related issues. So nice to jump in car and have it start immediately, hot or cold. More responsive, no stumbles....... Exactly.
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Re: FiTech Fuel Injection
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these are worthwhile to help you enjoy a car that otherwise would have a less than optimized carb on it. are the be all end all for performance and tuneability? NO. but its a pretty good system. don't waste time with the fuel command center. I don't think you shouldn't throw out bold statements like "don't waste time with the fuel command center" without providing reason. I've had no problems with mine other than a bad pump from the get go. Since then I've put many miles on mine in hot Florida and had no problem whatsoever, and it saved me a lot of money and time. Yes, there are pros and cons, but again, just throwing it out there without explanation does not help the o/p.
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Re: FiTech Fuel Injection
[Re: Stanton]
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Port injection gives you the advantage of being able to trim fuel, cylinder to cylinder which unless emissions is your concern is not much of an advantage for the average user. Only if you have sensors on each exhaust post - adding even more cost to port injection. Actually no. Computers and O2 sensors are fast enough now that with engine position sensors the ECM can tell which exhaust pulse comes from which cylinder by monitoring the O2 sensor data. That's how the ECM in new cars can throw a code to tell you which cylinder is misfiring. Kevin
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Re: FiTech Fuel Injection
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My friend has a big block chevell that ran a Kinser toilet running on alcohol , 14 :1 compression .The car ran 8.70 at 150+ mph. So, he decides to buy the FITech 1200 HP set up. He don't know squat about electronic stuff but he installed it. Surprising to me now the car starts right up, idles like a stock engine, still radical but has instant throttle response and still running alcohol. The FITech did slow the car down .3 He says it is because the FITech doesn't flow as much as CFM as the toilet did. Now I must say this car repeats every run down to the thousants, 60 ft. , 1/8 and 1/4 mile. He's even going rounds . Whats with that? I should have bought the FITech instead of the Holley dominator. I can see one in my future.
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Re: FiTech Fuel Injection
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don't waste time with the fuel command center. I have to disagree, way simpler installation than frame-mounted pumps or for cars where in-tank pumps aren't practical. Mine has given me zero problems.
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Re: FiTech Fuel Injection
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I would look into the Holly Sniper system before making a final call on FiTech.
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Re: FiTech Fuel Injection
[Re: John_Kunkel]
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don't waste time with the fuel command center. I have to disagree, way simpler installation than frame-mounted pumps or for cars where in-tank pumps aren't practical. Mine has given me zero problems. That Fuel Command system would be cool in a Moon tank mounted in the grill for that gasser look. Kevin
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Re: FiTech Fuel Injection
[Re: OrangeProwler]
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don't waste time with the fuel command center. When someone makes a statement like this with no reason I don't waste my time with it.
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Re: FiTech Fuel Injection
[Re: Jerry]
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Without a comparison of failure rates of other fuel delivery systems, anecdotal experience is just that.
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Re: FiTech Fuel Injection
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Without a comparison of failure rates of other fuel delivery systems, anecdotal experience is just that.
Don't need that. All you need is data on the command center failures. MTBF is solely calculated on the unit in question, not some other system.
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Re: FiTech Fuel Injection
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I installed my unit myself cleanly and as the manufacturer suggested paying attention to the details. New clean tank, 3/8 fuel line, properly returned FCC vent. I've had not issues other than needed a software update Mine is located in same spot, and that's the key, properly installed return line!
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Re: FiTech Fuel Injection
[Re: OrangeProwler]
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Well a little update on the FITech set up my buddy has. It seems that he doesn't like running 9 flat so he picked up the new Holley Sniper fabricated sheet metal intake for his big block. This set up is for 2-4"s. He says that another 1200 FITech will be just right. I looked at a number of those intakes, LS, Big blocks, Small block and for Fords. No mopar as of yet but they sure are light and look mighty fine. To be continued.
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Re: FiTech Fuel Injection
[Re: OrangeProwler]
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Without changing the default settings, the pump in the FCC runs at full pressure throughout the operating range which might account for the reported failures. The pump can be slowed at idle with the hand-held controller.
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Re: FiTech Fuel Injection
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Without changing the default settings, the pump in the FCC runs at full pressure throughout the operating range which might account for the reported failures. The pump can be slowed at idle with the hand-held controller.
Yes, this is what I read in FiTech's solution to problem and set my per. I did still have a bad pump from the get go because mechanic commented at install he didn't like how it seemed to be flooding at beginning.But as I said, all good now and I'm happy with it since and the easier starts and improved cold idle alone make it worth it to me.
Facts are stubborn things.
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