Re: The Pro-Stock circus continues.
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Thats a cranky old rich guy comment, heck im amazed you can stand to live in the state of GA with that outlook. Im not overly hyped about it either, but the overwhelming proof is one has been failing for a long time and one has been on the upswing for even longer. Street racing has never been on the decline. I'd rather watch one PS car run than a hundred SO cars run. The new tattoo, trash talking, vape piping,drag scene looks like the trailer park to me.
The entire collective knowledge of SO couldn't qualify a PS car if you gave them one that could.
What has always been the high water mark for drag racing tech is now off the radar,in favor of cartoon character antics.
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Re: The Pro-Stock circus continues.
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I don't think people understand or appreciate the parts and technology that has trickled down from Pro Stock over the years and what we would have to work with without the class having existed. Early PS guys had to use junkyard and/or OE parts like the rest of us. Cylinder heads and other engine parts, transmissions that you stick guys have available now, rear end stuff, chassis development. Does anyone think the money would have been spent to develop this stuff without Pro Stock?
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Re: The Pro-Stock circus continues.
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So Larry Morgan is back in a Chevy renting an Elite engine. HOW ORIGINAL.
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Re: The Pro-Stock circus continues.
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Sat, 02 Sep 2017, 19:54 PM
Pro Stock Qualifying, Session #3 Order
BROWNSBURG, Ind. - Order after 3 rounds of qualifying in Pro Stock at the NHRA Mello Yello Drag Racing Series, 63rd annual Chevrolet Performance U.S. Nationals:
Psn---Num-Driver, Home Town, Car Type---------------Qual-ET--Qual-Spd-Top Spd
1 2 Greg Anderson, Mooresville NC, '17 Camaro 6.561 210.11 210.31 2 15 Tanner Gray, Denver NC, '17 Camaro 6.566 209.88 209.88 3 6 Drew Skillman, Greenville IN, '17 Camaro 6.570 209.33 210.18 4 4 Bo Butner, Floyd Knobs IN, '17 Camaro 6.572 210.34 210.34 5 40 Alex Laughlin, Granbury TX, '15 Camaro 6.576 210.01 210.01 6 7 Chris McGaha, Odessa TX, '17 Camaro 6.577 209.95 209.95 7 31 Johnny Gray, Jupiter FL, '15 Camaro 6.596 210.11 210.11 8 666 Matt Hartford, Scottsdale AZ, '15 Camaro 6.598 209.62 209.62 9 8 Allen Johnson, Greeneville TN, '17 Dart 6.601 209.43 209.43 10 9 Erica Enders, Houston TX, '15 Camaro 6.604 209.10 209.10 11 3 Shane Gray, Denver NC, '15 Camaro 6.607 208.78 208.78 12 1 Jason Line, Mooresville NC, '17 Camaro 6.610 209.07 209.65 13 5 Vincent Nobile, Dix Hills NY, '15 Camaro 6.615 209.46 209.46 14 10 Jeg Coughlin, Delaware OH, '17 Camaro 6.625 207.88 209.20 15 52 Deric Kramer, Sterling CO, '14 Dart 6.628 207.21 207.21 16 150 Kenny Delco, E. Setauket NY, '16 Camaro 6.661 208.68 208.68
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17 29 Shane Tucker, Hope Island AU, '15 Camaro 6.668 206.89 206.89 18 128 John Gaydosh Jr, Baltimore MD, '14 Camaro 6.681 207.24 207.24 19 106 Alan Prusiensky, Rockaway NJ, '17 Dart 6.724 205.79 206.20 20 37 Larry Morgan, Newark OH, '15 Camaro 6.772 206.07 206.07
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Re: The Pro-Stock circus continues.
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Alan Prusiensky has Jeggie Dodge from last year.
Larry Morgan has a McGaha engine..
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Re: The Pro-Stock circus continues.
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Alan Prusiensky has Jeggie Dodge from last year.
Larry Morgan has a McGaha engine.. I think he hurt you hat engine. The team I mentioned surrounded the car the next pass. Larry Morgan used to build his engines
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Re: The Pro-Stock circus continues.
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Alan Prusiensky has Jeggie Dodge from last year.
Larry Morgan has a McGaha engine.. I think he hurt you hat engine. The team I mentioned surrounded the car the next pass. Larry Morgan used to build his engines The press release said Larry was using a MaGaha engine...I guess if that one goes boom...then whoever got one..LOL
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Re: The Pro-Stock circus continues.
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I would be so proud leasing an engine to make the field. Lol. Yaaa right
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Re: The Pro-Stock circus continues.
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Thats a cranky old rich guy comment, heck im amazed you can stand to live in the state of GA with that outlook. Im not overly hyped about it either, but the overwhelming proof is one has been failing for a long time and one has been on the upswing for even longer. Street racing has never been on the decline. I'd rather watch one PS car run than a hundred SO cars run. The new tattoo, trash talking, vape piping,drag scene looks like the trailer park to me.
The entire collective knowledge of SO couldn't qualify a PS car if you gave them one that could.
What has always been the high water mark for drag racing tech is now off the radar,in favor of cartoon character antics.
Probably right about the old cranky part lol. I can tell ya something else that's on the decline,,, Intelligence... Prostock isn't popular because it's not understood, or appreciated by the "lets see a crash" enthusiasts. Any drag racer should be awe struck by the slowest one in the field. How about driving one? How many racers are running low 6's in a 2300 pound car with almost zero downforce, that you only have one hand to steer, while the other is jamming gears? Not to mention the absolute precision timing of shifting required. I get the fact that the class has gotten so tough, and expensive, only a few can compete. Like it or not, it's the absolute top of the crop.
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Re: The Pro-Stock circus continues.
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It's one thing to be impressed by a pro stock car, which I am...very much so. It's another to actually care enough about the class to want to go watch it (or even really follow it) when it's full of multi million dollar operations that I can't relate to in the least.
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Re: The Pro-Stock circus continues.
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It's one thing to be impressed by a pro stock car, which I am...very much so. It's another to actually care enough about the class to want to go watch it (or even really follow it) when it's full of multi million dollar operations that I can't relate to in the least. x2. I couldn't explain it any better for myself.
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Re: The Pro-Stock circus continues.
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It's one thing to be impressed by a pro stock car, which I am...very much so. It's another to actually care enough about the class to want to go watch it (or even really follow it) when it's full of multi million dollar operations that I can't relate to in the least. x2. I couldn't explain it any better for myself. How can you guys not relate to 8 cylinder, NA, manual with a clutch, rear wheel drive, 4 link cars? The multi million dollar effort is WHY it's so cool to watch. The normal stuff we all do we can all see every friday night, at every local strip, or in our own garages. Can you relate to Top Fuel?
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Re: The Pro-Stock circus continues.
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I definitely agree they are the pinnacle of n/a technology, and it is incredibly impressive what they're getting out of relatively small displacement engines.
However, it is difficult to relate to them. They are behind in automotive technology, most of the modern performance cars are supercharged or turbocharged these days, and everything is moving to direct + port injection as well. (like the factory shootout and super stock cars). Even other expensive series like WEC/IMSA start with production cars and powertrains, then turn them into race cars.
They are also well outside of any normal human's budget. I'm not saying a super stocker is cheap, but I personally know 2 people who have had Cobra Jets, and were able to compete without an incredible cash outlay. I don't know anybody who can afford to race a P/S car.
I would rather watch the super stock and factory shootout cars, but also haven't been to an NHRA race in years, so my input likely doesn't matter at all in the grand scheme of things!
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Re: The Pro-Stock circus continues.
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It's one thing to be impressed by a pro stock car, which I am...very much so. It's another to actually care enough about the class to want to go watch it (or even really follow it) when it's full of multi million dollar operations that I can't relate to in the least. x2. I couldn't explain it any better for myself. How can you guys not relate to 8 cylinder, NA, manual with a clutch, rear wheel drive, 4 link cars? The multi million dollar effort is WHY it's so cool to watch. The normal stuff we all do we can all see every friday night, at every local strip, or in our own garages. Can you relate to Top Fuel? Nope. But I can to Super Stock and the faster Stockers. I used to enjoy Pro Stock and would attend the annual Pro Stock Open at MDIR... it's been years, though. I can tell you the first time was 1977 and Roy Hill won it driving a Hemi Duster. At one time PS was my favorite class of all, but now it really doesn't do much for me. Never gave a rat's a$$ about the nitro classes, but was friends with John Paris who used to run the Yankee Doodle Dandy alcohol funny car. I kept my Challenger at his shop for a couple of years before my wife & I bought our home in 1999.
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Re: The Pro-Stock circus continues.
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It's one thing to be impressed by a pro stock car, which I am...very much so. It's another to actually care enough about the class to want to go watch it (or even really follow it) when it's full of multi million dollar operations that I can't relate to in the least. x2. I couldn't explain it any better for myself. How can you guys not relate to 8 cylinder, NA, manual with a clutch, rear wheel drive, 4 link cars? The multi million dollar effort is WHY it's so cool to watch. The normal stuff we all do we can all see every friday night, at every local strip, or in our own garages. Can you relate to Top Fuel? Nope. But I can to Super Stock and the faster Stockers. I used to enjoy Pro Stock and would attend the annual Pro Stock Open at MDIR... it's been years, though. I can tell you the first time was 1977 and Roy Hill won it driving a Hemi Duster. At one time PS was my favorite class of all, but now it really doesn't do much for me. Never gave a rat's a$$ about the nitro classes, but was friends with John Paris who used to run the Yankee Doodle Dandy alcohol funny car. I kept my Challenger at his shop for a couple of years before my wife & I bought our home in 1999. SS is for sure a great class, stockers too, and I appreciate that everyone has their own take on all the classes. The thing I just can't see is PS being regarded as boring, or generic, and less interesting than than any other class, when in reality it's still the highest tech in the sport. The refinement required to be competitive in PS is staggering. I'll always feel the reason it is losing ground in popularity is that the complexity either isn't conveyed, or understood by the audience. Reminds me of being a kid, and people being bored with the later apollo missions. Never once understood the loss of interest in something so overwhelmingly complicated, and fascinating.
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Re: The Pro-Stock circus continues.
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It's one thing to be impressed by a pro stock car, which I am...very much so. It's another to actually care enough about the class to want to go watch it (or even really follow it) when it's full of multi million dollar operations that I can't relate to in the least. x2. I couldn't explain it any better for myself. How can you guys not relate to 8 cylinder, NA, manual with a clutch, rear wheel drive, 4 link cars? The multi million dollar effort is WHY it's so cool to watch. The normal stuff we all do we can all see every friday night, at every local strip, or in our own garages. Can you relate to Top Fuel? Top fuel is for kids and people (usually not car guys) who just like to see it in person for the wow factor. I like small tire street type cars. Pretty much anything else doesn't get much attention from me...save for a few exceptions. The "normal stuff" at local tracks is much better IMO. Maybe it's just me, but I like to keep up with racing that at least looks like it's something I could get into and compete.
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Re: The Pro-Stock circus continues.
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After all these years I still enjoy Top Fuel and Funny cars IF both lanes are equal. Throw a bad lane into the mix and it turns into Nascar part II and I usually take a nap.
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