Re: 440 RB Water Pump
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Not looking to change just the impeller. I want to replace the bolt on impeller assembly that bolts to the pump housing. Mine is a non-AC car. What you are calling the bolt on impeller assembly is the water pump. What you want to keep is the water pump housing.
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Re: 440 RB Water Pump
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That is the water pump. When you go to the parts store and say 440 water pump that's what they'll bring you. The water pump housing is between the water pump and the block.
Edelbrock pumps are supposed to increase flow FlowKooleer pumps likewise Milodon sells some pretty good stuff and their water pump should be good
Don't try to install a cavitation plate on a pump. If you want this feature, buy the FlowKooler.
This subject is funny because back in the day a water pump was a water pump. Whatever Genuine Parts had on the shelf was IT. Or H. E. Everson.
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Re: 440 RB Water Pump
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That is the water pump. When you go to the parts store and say 440 water pump that's what they'll bring you. The water pump housing is between the water pump and the block.
Edelbrock pumps are supposed to increase flow FlowKooleer pumps likewise Milodon sells some pretty good stuff and their water pump should be good
Don't try to install a cavitation plate on a pump. If you want this feature, buy the FlowKooler.
This subject is funny because back in the day a water pump was a water pump. Whatever Genuine Parts had on the shelf was IT. Or H. E. Everson.
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Milodon big block high flow water pumps already come with a cavitation plate already attached. Mine did anyway. The only thing I was disappointed in was it only had 6 vains. And if you don't already have a high flow thermostat, get one of those too.
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Re: 440 RB Water Pump
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I am not overheating with my present pump and thermostat, but I am running close to the edge. How hot? is that a known accurate gauge? Is the issue stoplight to stoplight or on the highway or both? any recent part changes preceding a temp change? what setup do you have now (fan/schroud/radiator etc) timing/AF ratio in the ballpark? If the pump is needed a parts house 8 blader will suffice & you can cut a circular disc in half & tack weld the halves behind the vanes for an efficient anticav plate.
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Re: 440 RB Water Pump
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doesn't the pump for a/c big-blocks have more impeller vanes than the non-a/c version? Less; A/C has 6 vanes, non-A/C has 8 vanes. A/C pump is overdriven 40%. Many parts stores offer only the 6-vane pump for all applications. Can cause overheating.
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Re: 440 RB Water Pump
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doesn't the pump for a/c big-blocks have more impeller vanes than the non-a/c version? Less; A/C has 6 vanes, non-A/C has 8 vanes. A/C pump is overdriven 40%. Many parts stores offer only the 6-vane pump for all applications. Can cause overheating. and aren't the ac pulleys smaller in diameter with the crank pulley at still 7 1/4" ? or do i have this backward ?
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Re: 440 RB Water Pump
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and aren't the ac pulleys smaller in diameter with the crank pulley at still 7 1/4" ? or do i have this backward ? Yes overdriven 33%. With the AC, a condensor/larger (thicker) radiator used/needed, so with AC a faster fan speed was needed to move enough air at idle/lower speeds thru these obstructions but this faster pulley also cavitated the pump at higher RPM's so going to only 6 vanes took care of that at high RPM's & the faster pulley speed made the 6 vanes move enough coolant at idle/low RPM's. The axle ratio will affect this. My suggestion(s). 8 blade/adj vane clearances/cav plate/good high flow 180 or higher stat/MP clutch or rigid fan with the most blades/spaced properly into a schroud/air directed correctly thru rad/several drops of dawn dish soap/a 1/32 hole in the stat for fast fillup/elim air pockets on initial startup. A good setup will feel like a tornado in front of the radiator.
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Re: 440 RB Water Pump
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Not to high jack this thread, but I have a pulley question here. So if I'm running a 6 vane water pump which is supposably for an A.C. car, what size should the crank pulley be? (single groove crank pulley, 440 car). Thanks.
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Re: 440 RB Water Pump
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You may be right on that. I had just assumed that the pump one was reduced to overdrive it. Can you measure your pump pulley?
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Re: 440 RB Water Pump
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http://www.bouchillonperformance.com/products-pulleysFirst off, single groove pulleys are for non AC setups, so you are already off in your combo. The above link will have the diameters.
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Re: 440 RB Water Pump
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I thought the crank pulley was suppose to be smaller in diameter for an A.C. car? I just measured mine and its 6 1/2 inchs across. (single groove pulley). The water pump pulley is approximately 6 & 13/16. And as I said before the crank pulley is 6 & 1/2 inch.
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Re: 440 RB Water Pump
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^^^ As you know you are underdriven (with deep(er) gears likely good as is above idle). A 8 blader (easier than a pulley swap)) would give more flow.
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Re: 440 RB Water Pump
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Just run the non AC pump, cheaper swap.
GATES 42032 $21.00 at Rock Auto
As to what pulleys to run, the Bouchillion site has that info.
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