1963 MAX WEDGE Welded VIN tag question
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Guys - I have a nice 63 426 Max Wedge Savoy on consignment, lot's of documentation, 20k mile car, race history, etc. I have a couple guys on another forum calling BS because the VIN TAG doesn't look right - they say they should've been SPOT welded instead of being STICK welded - does anyone know if this is correct? Did they SPOT weld in 63?? HERE IS A PIC OF THE VIN TAG
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Re: 1963 MAX WEDGE Welded VIN tag question
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Better yet - if someone else has a pic of another MAX WEDGE VIN tag that they can share - that would be much appreciated!
Thanks guys, hope you had a Happy 4th!
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Re: 1963 MAX WEDGE Welded VIN tag question
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With a welded tag... I wouldn't touch that car with a 10 foot pole... and any DMV inspector worth anything would impound the car until the owner could prove it wasn't a re-body, vin swap, or stolen. The VIN tag on these cars is the only place where the actual vin appears on the car and to have it buggered up like that is a red flag! The tag should be as appears in the second post. Spot welded to the "A" pillar with the alignment holes open and clear. What does the fender tag look like???
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Re: 1963 MAX WEDGE Welded VIN tag question
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VIN tags on early '60s MOPARS are stainless steel spot welded to a stamped steel body panel - these often do not survive 50 years and/or a restoration or two still firmly attached to the car the fact that the manner they were originally secured was not intended to last 50+ years nor its current attempt at attachment is not the biggest problem with that VIN tag original 1963 Lynch Rd. Detroit, MI VIN tags had the last 8-digits of the VIN (YEAR - Plant Code - Serial #) on the tag pre-stamped with "raised" numbers - the first 2-digits of the VIN were stamped after the car's "LINE" & "MODEL" were determined, these first 2-digits are stamped from the top-down (not "raised")
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Re: 1963 MAX WEDGE Welded VIN tag question
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Very interesting information, thank you gentlemen! I will pass this along to the owner/seller. This car has been written up and verified by Darrell Davis for his book, not sure if that adds any cache to it's historical value or not - regardless I need to find out what's going on with the VIN
THANKS AGAIN! I can always count on the MOPARTS experts!
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Re: 1963 MAX WEDGE Welded VIN tag question
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If your customer has all the documentation to prove the vin is correct... such as the broadcast sheet etc. A reproduction vin tag can be purchased from http://www.datatags.com/. BUT.. he MUST have all the correct documentation. They won't touch it without proof. On the surface it looks questionable at best. For a car that is in what appears to be excellent condition, its surprising to see someone Mig welded the vin tag. It is not uncommon to see them with Philips screws or rivets (usually used only as an insurance policy in case the tag's welds are suspect), but buggered up welds just don't make sense. If I were you, I'd be very skeptical. With a $99,000 price tag no one is going to fork over that kind of cash with a vin that obviously looks like it has been welded on by someone who failed a junior high welding class.
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Re: 1963 MAX WEDGE Welded VIN tag question
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I agree. Its not just the mounting but the tag itself. Hadn't really paid that much attention to it cause of the buggered up welds, but it clearly is a repop tag. Wonder if the fender tag was transplanted and the whole thing is just a clone masquerading as the real thing. That $99,000 price tag suddenly looks ridiculous.
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Re: 1963 MAX WEDGE Welded VIN tag question
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Thanks guys, I appreciate the input!
Dave Castine 1971 Duster 340 - EL5, auto, #'s matching, buckets, console
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Re: 1963 MAX WEDGE Welded VIN tag question
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I'm surprised that nobody has commented on the first two digits of the welded VIN tag itself. They are raised numbers, but should be stamped. And the size and spacing is all wrong! That's what concerns me, a poorly repopped VIN tag... not the welds.. Exactly correct. That tag is all wrong. It makes that car highly suspicious. I've never seen one of those "fall off". I gues it could happen. If someone removed it to paint the car, that was a bad move. If it is a made up car all together, that is real bad. Could be an old race car that was too far gone so the easy fix was to rebody it. I had a chance to sell my 65 SS car to a crook that admitted to me he had another virgin body to swap everything over. I did not sell him the car. Instead I sold it to another crook that made up all kinds of lies about the car. He lost his a$$ on the deal. In any case, now the vin number is known to the world because it's posted on the internet. I'm sure the moparts police already have it recorded.
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Re: 1963 MAX WEDGE Welded VIN tag question
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must've missed the 4th reply Yep. Missed it completely. When I read the second post that called it out, I went to the garage and checked my '64 and sure enough the first two letters are stamped from the top and the rest from the bottom.
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Re: 1963 MAX WEDGE Welded VIN tag question
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Bit slow getting to this thread. Yeah that tag is a bad repo, here's my real deal 63 MW Belvedere Question for the guys that know. Are the numbers stamped anywhere else on the car ?
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Re: 1963 MAX WEDGE Welded VIN tag question
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Vin on this tag only. The SO is on the back side of the core support - midway between the striker bolt and the vertical opening, and the EDIT - passenger side - package tray. That's it.
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