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69 b body rallye gauges not reading correctly #2325810
06/23/17 04:58 PM
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I had the rallye gauges redone by a previous sponsor here and now that they are in the car they aren't reading correctly. The fuel gauge doesn't go to full (has new NOS sender) temp reads too high (have infrared thermometer) oil pressure shows 35-40 psi (used 3 different sending units). I'm at my wits end and if they hadn't been done 3 years ago I would send them back. Open to any and all ideas. Signed, VERY frustrated. mad


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Re: 69 b body rallye gauges not reading correctly [Re: 7812845] #2325827
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any possibility that the voltage limiter which is supposed to give ~5V is putting out over that makeing all of em read too high? The OE ones were mechanical & the conversions are electronic & someone else was sayin they had a problem with their conversion.


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Re: 69 b body rallye gauges not reading correctly [Re: 7812845] #2325828
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The fuel gauge is always kind of a pain with a replaced sending unit. You might have to bend the float arm on it to get it where you want. Have you tried a different temp. sending unit? Know that there are those senders made for lights and those made for the gauge. Electric oil gauges are what they are. If it reads something it's working. Even in new cars gauges will read above or below the full or empty marks. The old stuff kind of is what it is and is never going to be perfect. I take it the tach is working? I would be super happy with that if everything else seems to be working.

Re: 69 b body rallye gauges not reading correctly [Re: 7812845] #2325856
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The temp gauge sender should have a temp # stamped in the side of it and it should match the high reading on the gauge,same with the oil pressure.I believe the oil pressure gauge high reading is 80# and the sender should have this stamped into the hex above the threads.Anything else won't read correctly.


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Re: 69 b body rallye gauges not reading correctly [Re: charge70] #2325869
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Don't mean to but in, but what if the gauge doesn't have numbers, just lines, how do you know which sending unit to get?

Re: 69 b body rallye gauges not reading correctly [Re: 7812845] #2325886
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Originally Posted By 7812845
I had the rallye gauges redone by a previous sponsor here and now that they are in the car they aren't reading correctly. The fuel gauge doesn't go to full (has new NOS sender) temp reads too high (have infrared thermometer) oil pressure shows 35-40 psi (used 3 different sending units). I'm at my wits end and if they hadn't been done 3 years ago I would send them back. Open to any and all ideas. Signed, VERY frustrated. mad

There are many variables that can cause the conditions you describe.
voltage to the cluster, voltage limiter, Bad grounds at the cluster or sending units, bad wiring / connections, bad sending units, bad gauge / calibration.

The quickest way to diagnose in this scenario would be to use a gauge checker which can be easily duplicated with 3 resistors 10 , 30, and 78 ohms and a 3 position switch.
Another option is to disconnect the appropriate sending unit, and use the resistors one at time. One end of the resistor attaches to the sending unit wire and the other end of the resistor attaches to a good ground. turn the ignition on and wait for 2-3 minutes or so for the gauge to stabilize. NOTE: Every time the value is changed the gauge requires the 2-3 minute window.

The 10 ohm resistor should give a Low gauge reading

the 30 ohm resistor should give a mid point reading

The 78 ohm should give a High reading.

This will confirm whether the sending unit or something else it at fault.

Report back and I / we will walk you through the troubleshooting steps.

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Re: 69 b body rallye gauges not reading correctly [Re: TJP] #2325942
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Thanks for the input. I ran a separate ground wire from the gauges to the dash frame and made sure the dash frame was grounded really good. What voltage should those resistors be?

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Re: 69 b body rallye gauges not reading correctly [Re: 7812845] #2325972
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Resistors do not have a voltage but rather a current rating, In this case
an 1/8 watt would probably work. A 1/4 watt is more than adequate unless there is a short somewhere that would draw more current. Highly unlikely though and if so it will burn and protect the circuit A larger watt rating ( 1/2 to 1 watt) will have no effect on the the result.

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Re: 69 b body rallye gauges not reading correctly [Re: 7812845] #2325973
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Originally Posted By 7812845
Thanks for the input. I ran a separate ground wire from the gauges to the dash frame and made sure the dash frame was grounded really good. What voltage should those resistors be?


Another comment, The dash frame can be grounded well but if the printed circuit board is not it can result in the kind of issues you are having.

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Re: 69 b body rallye gauges not reading correctly [Re: 7812845] #2326138
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I believe that is backwards. Full deflection (full) should be when the resistance is the lowest so 10 ohms or less should indicate full.
80 ohms is when the tank is the lowest.
As for size of resister, at full, you need at least a 2.5 Watt resistor. You are drawing a half an amp at 5 volts through 10 0hms. Power = I squared times R or .25 X 10 = 2.5 watts.
Easier still, use this web site to calculate it all out:

http://masterslic.tripod.com/olcalculator.html

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