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Early AVS question #2304947
05/15/17 04:00 PM
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I have an early AVS on my 360. Based on the numbers it's most likely from a 68 RR. It has only one adjustment screw which is an air bleed. One full turn off seated is the base setting. Twisting it in or out had no effect on the idle speed and it should have. It would stall out when I came to a stop. I tore it down and cleaned it good, put it back and it worked fine, just as it should. Then. the next time I take it out it acted the same way and adjusting it has no effect again. I'm pretty sure that screw is just an air bleed. What could it be that keeps plugging that passage? I'm going to replace the fuel filter and clean the post filter fuel line but I don't see this being much help. Any Thoughts? Thanks

Re: Early AVS question [Re: wedgeheaded] #2304988
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fit one of those thin red straws to the nozzle on a can of brake kleen & take out the screw & get the straw up in there & shoot a good 3 second blast into it then replace the screw to where it was.


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Re: Early AVS question [Re: RapidRobert] #2305057
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Yes. I plan to do just that. I'm thinking some of this junk gas that sat on my filter, on the discharge side, may be gumming things up. It's hard to believe something can run so sweet one second then just as quick, run like crap.

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The idle passages are the smallest in the carb & logically can plug up the easiest. Longer shot it might even possibly be a module or pickup that is acting up. Holler how it turns out/what it was.


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Re: Early AVS question [Re: RapidRobert] #2305114
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I just sent the original Carb for my big block GTS to Scott for a resto.


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Re: Early AVS question [Re: wedgeheaded] #2305211
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It is the small screw you are adjusting that is the size of most idle mixture screws. I only ask because I believe some of them also used the larger screw for idle speed as the large screw is an idle air bypass for idle speed. The ones with the one mixture screw is an air bleed feed to the idle circuit and they usually have left handed threads so you actually turn it the same way to lean it out or richen it up since its left hand threads. I guess they did left hand threads as not to confuse anyone who does not know its an air bleed and the adjustment will work the same as the normal mixture screws do. Ron

Re: Early AVS question [Re: wedgeheaded] #2305219
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If your carb is running great and there's a sudden change, chances are you've got a fuel contamination issue.

Although a major hassle, sometimes its best to just remove the entire fuel system from the tank forward (tank, pickup, fuel lines, fuel pump, filter, carb, etc.) to either restore or replace each item. T

The culprit these days is most commonly bad fuel which can solidify into small chunks when it sits for long periods of time causing all sorts of problems. It can also be rust and scale, etc. Once its all cleaned up you shouldn't have further issues.

The single air bleed screw is not a good design for fine tuning which is why it was short lived (1968 and part of 69). It basically balances the air supply to each side of the carb (also notice how it turns in the opposite direction). The trick is gaining access to the two lower mixture screws (which they all have, usually hidden by a factory installed lead plug). If you remove the plugs and gain access to the small screws you can adjust them, or replace them with two normal mixture screws and set springs allowing you to make finer adjustments just like later versions. .02

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Originally Posted By ScottSmith_Harms
If your carb is running great and there's a sudden change, chances are you've got a fuel contamination issue.

Although a major hassle, sometimes its best to just remove the entire fuel system from the tank forward (tank, pickup, fuel lines, fuel pump, filter, carb, etc.) to either restore or replace each item. T

The culprit these days is most commonly bad fuel which can solidify into small chunks when it sits for long periods of time causing all sorts of problems. It can also be rust and scale, etc. Once its all cleaned up you shouldn't have further issues.

The single air bleed screw is not a good design for fine tuning which is why it was short lived (1968 and part of 69). It basically balances the air supply to each side of the carb (also notice how it turns in the opposite direction). The trick is gaining access to the two lower mixture screws (which they all have, usually hidden by a factory installed lead plug). If you remove the plugs and gain access to the small screws you can adjust them, or replace them with two normal mixture screws and set springs allowing you to make finer adjustments just like later versions. .02


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Re: Early AVS question [Re: wedgeheaded] #2305393
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I'm plan to dig into it tonight. I'll keep you all posted. I have the car listed on craigslist and hope to have it in the car corral at the Columbus Classic on sat. Fingers Crossed.

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If you get into those lower passages I would blast them out too with brake kleen.


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Re: Early AVS question [Re: wedgeheaded] #2305850
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I had the same problem with my Charger, a Sep. 68 build. Ran fine, then like crap. Blew carb cleaner through mixture screws, and ran fine. Later ran like $#!t again. Pulled top off, and there was a bunch of flakey junk in the float bowl. Sucked it out, blew carb cleaner through the passages I could get to on the car with the top off, and it's ran great since. I'd take the lead plugs off so you can adjust the idle screws. They look like this.



This is what I used to get them out.



The little screws are sprung out a bit on the slotted end, so they apply enough friction to keep them fixed where you turn them.

Re: Early AVS question [Re: wedgeheaded] #2306199
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OK. Pulled the carb and opened it up, cleaned it out good and did the same to the post filter fuel line. I installed a new filter and bolted everything back together. Everything seems fine. Time will tell though. I'm not ready to dance till I give it a few days. Thanks everybody.

Re: Early AVS question [Re: wedgeheaded] #2306593
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OK, now it's flooding. I'm going to use a 7/16 drill bit and check my float levels. I know this is all just part of owning a car that's nearly 50 yrs old but it gets old. I'll keep you posted. I think this should do it though.

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that seems to happen alot when the slow/steady flow of fuel in normal operation changes to a fast gush when the lines have been opened & an air gap created then it is reconnected & the gas rushes up to the needle/seat. I just had this happen on a rebuild on a Holley 2bbl. it will pass. I read once that the rush kicks up minute dirt particles in the system.


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Re: Early AVS question [Re: wedgeheaded] #2307713
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OK, here's the scoop. Pulled the carb and pulled the top off the carb. The floats were way off. However, 7/16 was way too much. I had also read 7/32. I split the difference and went with 3/8 and the car loved it. It ran the best it's ran in a long time and no flooding. Starts easy, sounds great. Thanks everybody for helping.







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