Just because that 68 charger has a 383 magnum pie tin doesn't make it one. So I'm reading a bunch of jibberich..is the concensess that 330 horse has no windage tray? Right?

orange pie tins didn't come out 'til 1970 model year

Nacho....what part has been unclear about applications of the 335 horse assembly in 1968?

What part was unclear about the A/C application in 1969?

Sorry, somehow missed that... no AC on 68/69 383 Magnum/SuperCommandos? soo the you couldn't get a Superbee/RR with AC ?

Was just 68/69 or also up to 71?



Of course I know, but they seems to be born there!

On a side note! ( a bit off topic ) How does the pie tin air cleaner takes the air? I can't find any entry on them

Might be wrong but the only 383 engine that used a Holly was the 70 all the others AFB-AVS. 2 cams low performance and high performance + 6 barrel type, same specs just different lobe angle. Each engine each year shared the same head just springs where different, (67 had different ex valve size LP to HP) Chrysler did some stupid things but they did keep it simple on this stuff. Way to many 383 Hemi six-packs out there.[/quote]


No,I looked up the numbers on my Holley in the little white numbers books I have and it comes back as a 69 383 4bbl(with a note 570cfm).
I THINK that big block cars with air used the Holley carbs.
Because most every 69 383 w A/C I have looked at had duel snorkel air cleaner and Holley carb. So my car DID org have a Holley, but WHY it did, I do not know I can only guess, the above reason. [/quote]



Per FSM in 69

Incorrect, 330HP engine in 68/69/70 ... which is the engine he asks about ... is a 4bbl engine with what people refer to as the HP manifolds.

did you type that with a straight face ?

No,I looked up the numbers on my Holley in the little white numbers books I have and it comes back as a 69 383 4bbl(with a note 570cfm).
I THINK that big block cars with air used the Holley carbs.
Because most every 69 383 w A/C I have looked at had duel snorkel air cleaner and Holley carb. So my car DID org have a Holley, but WHY it did, I do not know I can only guess, the above reason. [/quote]



Per FSM in 69
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You're right, some 70 383 Super Commandos did have Holleys. In 70, I bought a new 70 383, 4 speed 'Cuda with A/C off the showroom at Sam Krug Chrysler Plymouth in Vegas & it had the twin snorkel, black air cleaner with a Holley. First thing I did was remove the A/C compressor to save weight, install headers & a small triangular air cleaner with a foam element that melted into the carb whenever the Holley backfired. Dumb kid I was. Threw a rod thru the block racing my friend's big buick on the freeway & bye bye went the 'Cuda.

Yes you could get a road runner, and supebee, with A/C , it would have the 330HP engine instead of the 335hp .

I haven't seen 69 383 4 bbls with A/C and holleys in 69 , the 4bbl manifolds before 1970 were not holley friendly.

And don't take the LITTLE WHITE BOOK info as gospel, Galen has admitted it has mistakes ...

Did you type that with a straight face ?

no kidding

Someone changed the headpipes on that car, there isn't an H pipe on any 383 Mopar , only on 440hp, 6pk 70/71 and Hemi cars.

The 383 330hp and 335 hp engine in 68 and 69 have the same pistons, .0025 in the hole with NO VALVE RELIEFS, there is only flat top or big round shallow dish pistons in 383's.

Yes you can put the 4bbl cam in your motor and if your pistons are positive deck height then someone cut that block or Chrysler screwed the pooch machining it originally because no 383's have a positive deck height piston from the factory ... you want to change your valve springs also with your cam change, the 4 bbl cam used a spring with an internal flat wire damper spring also.

The crayon mark I don't think is 899, the number is the engine assembly number ... I'd have to do some digging to find out what the 69 A/C equipped 383 engine assembly number is.

No , the principle is not the same, it's not even close, the baffles in the B body and A body pan do not do anything the same as a windage tray.

The baffles are for oil sloshing on accell and decell, the windage tray as made by chrysler, slows the oil getting back to the sump ... but it's supposed to keep the crank windage from foaming the oil

As far as the blue charger for sale in above post:
Well mine is a 69, not a 68, but I THINK that A/C big blocks had the duel snorkel air cleaners(68/69 B-body) So maybe that was changed a while back, because the one he has looks much cooler then the duel snorkel.
Also the fuel line looks to be going to the wrong spot,as if maybe the carb has been swaped?
Again maybe its different in 68 vs 69, but 69 A/C 383 got Holley.

I was told on a different site that 68/69 big block A/C, 4Bbl cars all got Holley carbs.

That may be the fuel line for the Carter?

Back to the other topic:

I don't take the little white books as gospel,just a point in the right direction, but the numbers on my Holley carb come back as a 69, 383 a/c carb, so my car being a 69 383 A/c Charger, I am guessing it the correct (org ) carb. The car is 45+ years old so it could have been changed.
My car has 7,000 miles it was hit hard in driver 1/4 panel over 37 years ago and has been parked from then on, so most of all the stuff on my car looks factory. But anything could have been changed/swapped, I don't personally know.
The build sheet has the engine # as 899 that's how I came to that conclusion about yellow crayon mark on pass side valve cover.
At first,I thought it was a 68, but after looking at build sheet and the valve cover I now think it may have read 899.

too much wrong info/thinking in this one post .....

B-rad, you'd be best to start your own thread giving specifics of your car and the questions you have.

1969 383HP 4bbl originally used Carter AVS carbs ONLY
1969 383 4bbl used HOLLEY carbs with and without A/C
1969 383 4bbl & 383HP 4bbl both originally used dual exhaust manifolds (as pictured below)

yes because there is no windage tray.

I agree with you on what you said above.
But in 69 383 A/C,Automatic Used Holley Carbs #R4440(4160 series)


They did NOT use the Holley carbs in 68.
They also used Holley in 1970 with the N/96 and N96+n95
And 71

I do not know why they did this. And I am not trying to argue with anyone as I am not an expert.
I was told it was just A/C cars in 69, that used the Holley.

My org question was just about 68/69 Chargers and if the 3834bbl(330hp) engine in them was called a Magnum.
I just wanted to get the right pie tin for my motor.
And that question has been answered.

Then some other things poped up that were interesting, I have learned a few things from this thread!!!