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Re: Source for quality repro Air Grabber cleaner lid wing nut. [Re: Little Detroit] #2305487
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Originally Posted By Little Detroit
according to the famous little white book written by the original "GURU" to whom you all worship the gentleman seems to be correct about his carburetor #6125 and its listed in the 1971 parts manual. huh? fancy that.


Yes it's listed for a C body application.

Maybe you should do your own research.

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Re: Source for quality repro Air Grabber cleaner lid wing nut. [Re: L.R Helbling] #2305499
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Originally Posted By L.R Helbling

Can't help you, chum if you don't believe what I'm telling you. Holley R4668 carbs were put on Roadrunners with heated air intakes like I mentioned in a previous post. Mine never came with that option so I got the Carter AVS. Typical numbers found on broadcast sheets are fine for statistical purposes but they do not describe the rules for putting which carb on which car. FSM does.


Actually the broadcast sheet had nothing to do with statistics, it told the line workers what actual part to install on the car.

But I've only been following, researching, cataloguing and collecting information about 71 Plymouth B bodies specifically for about 25 years now. You're probably right and I'll stop incorrectly trying to help you.


addict:to devote or surrender (oneself) to something habitually or obsessively ....hmmmm
Re: Source for quality repro Air Grabber cleaner lid wing nut. [Re: Morty426] #2305505
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Originally Posted By Morty426
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Can't help you, chum if you don't believe what I'm telling you. Holley R4668 carbs were put on Roadrunners with heated air intakes like I mentioned in a previous post. Mine never came with that option so I got the Carter AVS. Typical numbers found on broadcast sheets are fine for statistical purposes but they do not describe the rules for putting which carb on which car. FSM does.


OK let's see if this makes sense to you.

The FSM is a service manual. It's where you go to find out how to repair something or what the specs or settings are for something. It does not tell you what goes on what. For that they have a Parts Manual.



If you go to the parts manual. It's section 14-30-0. It shows that the Carter is only used on C Bodies. So yes there is a 383 AT Carter in 71 but it was never used in your application. It was used in the 330HP C body application.



My carb is listed in the link that you provided for the whole world to see now. Thanks for providing the proof, Bud. It's listed in model P,D,C (Plymouth, Dodge, Chrysler,) and Reference No. 114 and service carb # 3512844. If you open your eyes, you will see it. If not, I'll scan my chassis service manual when I get home later tonight that tells you why that carb is correct for my car.

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Just who is Chum, and Bud? Now that your car has an Air Grabber the AVS is not correct for your car.

Re: Source for quality repro Air Grabber cleaner lid wing nut. [Re: L.R Helbling] #2305520
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The Air Grabber is not correct for my car. The Carter AVS always was. It's what was on the car when I bought it. Another spare one was in the trunk. Why would the previous owner keep on buying incorrect carbs for his former car? Now that I have an Edlebrock 1407, nobody should care yet everyone on Moparts dot com wants to rag on this subject. What is up?

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Re: Source for quality repro Air Grabber cleaner lid wing nut. [Re: L.R Helbling] #2305536
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Originally Posted By L.R Helbling
Originally Posted By Morty426
Originally Posted By L.R Helbling

Can't help you, chum if you don't believe what I'm telling you. Holley R4668 carbs were put on Roadrunners with heated air intakes like I mentioned in a previous post. Mine never came with that option so I got the Carter AVS. Typical numbers found on broadcast sheets are fine for statistical purposes but they do not describe the rules for putting which carb on which car. FSM does.


OK let's see if this makes sense to you.

The FSM is a service manual. It's where you go to find out how to repair something or what the specs or settings are for something. It does not tell you what goes on what. For that they have a Parts Manual.



If you go to the parts manual. It's section 14-30-0. It shows that the Carter is only used on C Bodies. So yes there is a 383 AT Carter in 71 but it was never used in your application. It was used in the 330HP C body application.



My carb is listed in the link that you provided for the whole world to see now. Thanks for providing the proof, Bud. It's listed in model P,D,C (Plymouth, Dodge, Chrysler,) and Reference No. 114 and service carb # 3512844. If you open your eyes, you will see it. If not, I'll scan my chassis service manual when I get home later tonight that tells you why that carb is correct for my car.


I proved the point but you failed to understand.

The P listed is for Fury (a Plymouth)

The letters listed are for the model and represent the first digit or the VIN. If you are a RR then the code would be R. So if you look at the listing for a 383 4 barrel automatic in an R model (that would include a Road Runner) it lists a Holley

Sincerely
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The letters listed are for the car line and not just the model as is explained in your very own parts manual. P is Plymouth D is Dodge and C is Chrysler. This means all 383 4 barrel cars under that car line are subject to reference No.114. Now if only someone can decipher reference note 114 we would have the answer. Yes, I know that there is a reference to 2 Holley equipped Roadrunners up above with and without fresh air. Those are not mine because they have different reference numbers. If no one can answer that question about reference 114, I'll scan my chassis manual under the section about Carter AVS and Holley 4193A where it explains why certain cars came with Holleys and others with Carters.

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Originally Posted By L.R Helbling
The letters listed are for the car line and not just the model as is explained in your very own parts manual. P is Plymouth D is Dodge and C is Chrysler. This means all 383 4 barrel cars under that car line are subject to reference No.114. Now if only someone can decipher reference note 114 we would have the answer. Yes, I know that there is a reference to 2 Holley equipped Roadrunners up above with and without fresh air. Those are not mine because they have different reference numbers. If no one can answer that question about reference 114, I'll scan my chassis manual under the section about Carter AVS and Holley 4193A where it explains why certain cars came with Holleys and others with Carters.


The P, D and C are the first digit of the VIN. It's in the beginning of the Parts Manual.

It's simple. If you don't want to believe it then no one on here can help you.

The question is does your car follow under R or P? The people in the know will say R.

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These are the only 2 pieces of general information that you need to know to understand which 1971 Plymouth, Chrysler and Imperial that had 383 engines had which carburetors. It applies to all models across the board. Mine had the Carter AVS 6125S. I'm not the one asking for help with this. I never did. I'm the one who is trying to help you.




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Originally Posted By L.R Helbling
These are the only 2 pieces of general information that you need to know to understand which 1971 Plymouth, Chrysler and Imperial that had 383 engines had which carburetors. It applies to all models across the board. Mine had the Carter AVS 6125S. I'm not the one asking for help with this. I never did. I'm the one who is trying to help you.





And we are trying to stop you from spreading bad information. This says nothing about the exact application. The PARTS MANUAL does.

The Carter was used on C body 383 engines. PERIOD!

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So When I see my friend with the 1971 Hemi Roadrunner, I'll be sure to mention that he should chuck his twin Carter AFBs in the garbage and replace them with Holleys just like you and the other misinformed individuals are suggesting right? No problem. Both the parts manual and the chassis manual are excellent resources of information. It takes no skill to read a chassis manual but certain training to read a parts manual. I am guessing that you simply don't have that training.

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reading this thread gives me a headache.. shocked

if you read the link he posted
it says the carter was on the standard 383 and 440 engines
what about the hp 383 and 440s?? boogie

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Originally Posted By L.R Helbling
So When I see my friend with the 1971 Hemi Roadrunner, I'll be sure to mention that he should chuck his twin Carter AFBs in the garbage and replace them with Holleys just like you and the other misinformed individuals are suggesting right? No problem. Both the parts manual and the chassis manual are excellent resources of information. It takes no skill to read a chassis manual but certain training to read a parts manual. I am guessing that you simply don't have that training.


I thought we were discussing 383 4 barrels and whether they had a Carter AVS or a Holley.

Sorry I and others tried to educate you. Won't happen again .

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I'm not trying to offend but come on man these guys are trying to help you. They have a lot of experience, not just stuff they learned from the Year One catalog. As far as your original question, just look around at hardware stores and find some stamped wing nuts and I doubt anyone will ever know otherwise.


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69 Hemi road runner...X9 X9 M6X
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All this over a wing nut.

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Re: Source for quality repro Air Grabber cleaner lid wing nut. [Re: Morty426] #2305919
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Originally Posted By Morty426
Originally Posted By L.R Helbling
So When I see my friend with the 1971 Hemi Roadrunner, I'll be sure to mention that he should chuck his twin Carter AFBs in the garbage and replace them with Holleys just like you and the other misinformed individuals are suggesting right? No problem. Both the parts manual and the chassis manual are excellent resources of information. It takes no skill to read a chassis manual but certain training to read a parts manual. I am guessing that you simply don't have that training.


I thought we were discussing 383 4 barrels and whether they had a Carter AVS or a Holley.

Sorry I and others tried to educate you. Won't happen again .


Originally we were, but others chimed in suggesting that only Holleys were installed on 1971 Roadrunners which was just plain wrong among so many other things people have been saying including you. Ditto and back at you.

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