440 oil pump leaking, should I replace it and with what ?
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I have a Dodge Travco motorhome with. 440. It seems to have developed an oil leak somewhere around the oil pump. It looks like it could be the oil pump cover gasket or coming from the cap for the pressure relief ? It does not seem to be pump to block. I can't seem to find that gasket, only pump to block. Should I mess with the oil pump or replace it ? If I replace it should I use a stock Napa one, a Melling HV or high pressure ? It's in a motorhome. I used a Melling pump on a Ford years ago and it lacked pressure and cost me a set of bearing so not in love with them but that was a long time ago. Also motor runs pretty good overall but has 102k miles and she runs high RPMs on the highway being no overdrive and 4.56 gears,
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1975 Dodge Travco 440 BB
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Re: 440 oil pump leaking, should I replace it and with what ?
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IIRC there are two 'O'-rings that seal the cover to the body. A large one and a small one. The large one is available from almost anyone. I would think you could match the small one from an 'O'-ring assortment. Unless you have insufficient oil pressure, I can't see replacing the entire pump if a couple 'O'-rings will do the trick. I can't say this for sure but if you still have a burning desire to replace the pump, I think the only vendor left is Melling.
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Re: 440 oil pump leaking, should I replace it and with what ?
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I've never known o-rings to fail. I have, but at 5000 psi. And that is rare. So, I'm with you, An o-ring is so over designed for this application, hard to imaging a failure there.
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Re: 440 oil pump leaking, should I replace it and with what ?
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.....It does not seem to be pump to block..... Hence my thought that it was the O-rings. Loose through bolting would guarantee a leak at the block gasket. We'll see.
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Re: 440 oil pump leaking, should I replace it and with what ?
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There are three O rings and a paper gasket.
Two O rings between the body and cover of the pump.
One O ring on the "snout" of the pump where it fits up in the block.
A paper gasket between the pump body and the block.
If the o ring on the snout fails, the paper gasket can only slow down the leak, it's not enough to stop it. And it is not a pressure leak, but a weeping kind of a deal. Usually it fails before the other two.
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Re: 440 oil pump leaking, should I replace it and with what ?
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I would think that with 100,000 + miles on the motor home if your going to pull the pump to change gaskets and O-rings , I would just replace the pump with as stated above a Melling HV .
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Re: 440 oil pump leaking, should I replace it and with what ?
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Take the pump off and take it apart, you should be able to determine where the leaks are You don't say what year it is but I would bet money that it is at least 38 yrs old, I believe Mopar quit making the BB motor home chassis in the 1979 when they went bankrupt the first time I have had the bypass valve plug, fitting, start to back out on new pumps on the dyno, they get warmed up and start seeping a tiny bit until I see it, I tighten them up and that stops it Yours may be a gasket or o ring, let us know what you find out, maybe even a rocker arm cover gasket
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Re: 440 oil pump leaking, should I replace it and with what ?
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Change the oil filter and make sure you don't have an old gasket sitting on there What he said,pumps usually don't leak !
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Re: 440 oil pump leaking, should I replace it and with what ?
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what Cab said, find the location first
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Re: 440 oil pump leaking, should I replace it and with what ?
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Ok, thanks guys. The pressure relief cap was able to go another flat without gorilla force so maybe that will help but gonna clean it off again and scrutize it more. If I have to pul the pump, anything I need know ? Anything gonna fall out ? It looks pretty straight forward. Just take the longer bolts to block out and off it come correct ?
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Re: 440 oil pump leaking, should I replace it and with what ?
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You may need to pull the intergear to ease pulling it but see if the big block guys say that is needed or not. On a SB, on installing the pump I snug the 2 bolts lightly snug then drop in the intergear then torque the 2 bolts for dead on hex alignment. might be a good idea for a BB.
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Re: 440 oil pump leaking, should I replace it and with what ?
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i have replaced bb pumps without pulling the gear. Me too, a bunch of times, twice at the races
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Re: 440 oil pump leaking, should I replace it and with what ?
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Ok thanks. There is plenty of room to work on it.
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