Re: 1968 Hemi GTX Convertible
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The Q5 Hemi Runner is a D32 automatic car not a 4-speed. It was a condition #4 driver in 2000 when it was for sale on Heminet for roughly 90k $ IIRC.
The 69 RT vert in Q5 didn't have its matching engine anymore and was partly disassembled
Carsten The 69 RT was very rough as were all the cars that Dave M had, it was also born with a black gut not white which it now has. & is/was advertised as the only "matching numbers" '69 HEMI 4-speed Coronet R/T 'vert When Dave had it the motor was missing, he said the car was sold new in Duluth and later on the motor was pulled and the story goes it may have been put in another car that was raced in the Brainerd area, guess they must have found it. never say never, but it has a VIN stamped 1966 cast block in it - without a VIN pad
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Re: 1968 Hemi GTX Convertible
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Would be intriguing just to haul it to shows just like it is for awhile....a dusty time capsule. Enough over restored yawners being hidden away for investment already.... This has character!
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Re: 1968 Hemi GTX Convertible
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[quote=fc7_plumcrazy]The Q5 Hemi Runner is a D32 automatic car not a 4-speed. It was a condition #4 driver in 2000 when it was for sale on Heminet for roughly 90k $ IIRC.
The 69 RT vert in Q5 didn't have its matching engine anymore and was partly disassembled
Carsten The 69 RT was very rough as were all the cars that Dave M had, it was also born with a black gut not white which it now has. & is/was advertised as the only "matching numbers" '69 HEMI 4-speed Coronet R/T 'vert When Dave had it the motor was missing, he said the car was sold new in Duluth and later on the motor was pulled and the story goes it may have been put in another car that was raced in the Brainerd area, guess they must have found it. never say never, but it has a VIN stamped 1966 cast block in it - without a VIN pad Obviously you have no idea what you're talking about.The engine is a January 1968 casting date in the 69 Q5 Coronet R/T and it is the original engine. It has all the correct original assembly stampings still on it. The engine has an assembly date of August 1968 wand the car was built in November 1968. Hemi's didn't start having the cast in machined VIN pad until March 16th 1968. There were January 1968 blocks used in early 1969 Hemi cars. The original engine was bought by Scott Dahlberg in 1978 after it spun a bearing in the R/T. A 440 was installed in the car at that time and prior to the car going to Arkansas for a debt owed to the car owners brother. Scott never raced that block, he knew what he had right from the start (that the car it belonged in was rare). Scott owned it for 25 years, Dave knew that Scott had the original engine was but wouldn't pay the $10,000 that Scott wanted for the bare block. It was bought from Scott Dahlberg in 2003 by Dennis Phelps who is the guy who bought the car from Dave M. Dave told Dennis that Scott had the original engine. The current owner Bob B. paid the $3k for a Dave Wise inspection to have everything verified. I'll post more of the cars history later, I need to get back to work in the garage right now. Greg, the guy that restored the 69 Q5 R/T conv. is also the one that restored the Green 69 GTX conv for Steven Juliano (who owned it at that time).
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Re: 1968 Hemi GTX Convertible
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did it look like this - including VIN? Think you nailed it Dan. I talked with the owner of the Q5 69 RT a little more than a year ago and he was about to sell the engine that was in the car to the owner of the FJ5 Hemi Challenger convertible. The convertible had the original engine from the ragtop owner's original 70 Hemi Challenger hardtop and he wanted to remove the engine before he sold the convertible. Apparently the engine in the RT convertible was thought to have been in the hemi Challenger convertible at some time and could have been that car's engine. Confusing story but this could explain why the engine Dan thought was in the RT had been removed. This was done several months after the RT was at MCACN in November 2015. I also was told recently that the Q5 convertible is owned by someone south of where BB lives.
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Re: 1968 Hemi GTX Convertible
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did it look like this - including VIN? Think you nailed it Dan. I talked with the owner of the Q5 69 RT a little more than a year ago and he was about to sell the engine that was in the car to the owner of the FJ5 Hemi Challenger convertible. The convertible had the original engine from the ragtop owner's original 70 Hemi Challenger hardtop and he wanted to remove the engine before he sold the convertible. Apparently the engine in the RT convertible was thought to have been in the hemi Challenger convertible at some time and could have been that car's engine. Confusing story but this could explain why the engine Dan thought was in the RT had been removed. This was done several months after the RT was at MCACN in November 2015. I also was told recently that the Q5 convertible is owned by someone south of where BB lives. You've got that story totally messed up. The original engine for the FJ5 Challenger Convertible was never in the Q5 69 R/T Conv. Greg bought that engine from Mike Spascus about 5 years ago. It was in a 66 Hemi 4spd Satellite when Mike Spascus bought it in the early 80's. Mike had bought the Hemi Satellite knowing that it was from the JS27R0B Challenger. Mike pulled the engine and sold the Satellite as a roller. Another friend of mine (Keith F.) bought the 66 Hemi Satellite, bought a Hemi to build from Bob Pickel and the car was driven to the Mopar Nats (and back) in 1985. What Mike S. didn't know was the guy that he had bought it from had ground off the VIN and stamped it with the 66 Satellite VIN. Mike had been trying to sell the engine to the guy that owned the Challenger that it came out of, but at $35k he wasn't buying. Greg bought that engine for $15k and sold it to the owner of the FJ5 JS27R0B Challenger for $16k. That engine never had anything to do with the Hemi Coronet R/T Conv.When Greg bought the 69 Q5 Turquoise R/T Convertible from Dennis there was no engine installed. It came with the original Hemi block that Dennis had bought from Scott Dalhberg. I spent an hour on the phone today with Greg discussing the screwed up stories that people are saying about the car. The Q5 Hemi Coronet R/T Conv. was sold new at White Bear Dodge in MN. At some point in the 70's it was bought off a used car lots and the bearing was spun shortly after. The Hemi was pulled and a 440 installed. The engine was sold to Scott. The Car went to AR for a debt owed to the brother of the owner which is where Dave M. bought it. It's amazing how screwed up stories get. Greg currently owns a 69 Sunfire Yellow Hemi Road Runner (yes it's a real RM27J9 car)that he took on trade on the Q5 Coronet R/T from Bob B. The Q5 car is now in Rochester New York. Greg is one of those old school guys that won't touch a computer, never has never will. That's why you don't see him responding to anything online.
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Re: 1968 Hemi GTX Convertible
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Obviously you have no idea what you're talking about. I beg to differ ..... I put many ideas forward in this thread, & this one appears to have missed its mark. thanks for clearing it up & providing some of the car's/engine's backstory - Obviously you have a personal connection with the car and its former owner, did you run the auction for it on eBay? A January '68 HEMI block in a November '69 car is not the "NORM" & I even put the "NEVER SAY NEVER" when I "ASSUMED" it was a '66 block. AFAIK: Bob B.'s buddy Steve F. has a numbers matching (eng/trans/ft) HEMI 4-speed '69 Coronet R/T - how can the Q5 car be the only one?
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Re: 1968 Hemi GTX Convertible
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Thanks for correcting my story. I know the yellow Runner ragtop very well, it was dragged out of the Florida back woods many years ago. Quite a car, yellow with two tone tan. I dragged it to Canada from VA when John D grew tired of the project and sold it to a friend of mine.
Maybe you know different, but Steve F does claim to own the Q5 convertible and is the reason he recently offered another RT convertible to a friend of mine.
'.. it was long ago and it was far away, and it was so much better than it is today..' Jim Steinman
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Re: 1968 Hemi GTX Convertible
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So Bob B. has the Q5 hemi R/T vert AND the F8 on tan Hemi road runner vert? WOW. Website needs updating! http://rochesterautomuseum.com/gallery.html
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Re: 1968 Hemi GTX Convertible
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Thanks for correcting my story. I know the yellow Runner ragtop very well, it was dragged out of the Florida back woods many years ago. Quite a car, yellow with two tone tan. I dragged it to Canada from VA when John D grew tired of the project and sold it to a friend of mine.
Maybe you know different, but Steve F does claim to own the Q5 convertible and is the reason he recently offered another RT convertible to a friend of mine.
At one point a couple years ago Greg Knobbe owned 2 of the 4 built 69 Hemi Coronet R/T Convertibles. The Q5 Turquoise car and also the B7 Blue car. While he was restoring the Q5 Turquoise car he sold the B7 Blue car to Scott Lindsey who then sold it to Steve F.
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Re: 1968 Hemi GTX Convertible
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Obviously you have no idea what you're talking about. I beg to differ ..... I put many ideas forward in this thread, & this one appears to have missed its mark. thanks for clearing it up & providing some of the car's/engine's backstory - Obviously you have a personal connection with the car and its former owner, did you run the auction for it on eBay? A January '68 HEMI block in a November '69 car is not the "NORM" & I even put the "NEVER SAY NEVER" when I "ASSUMED" it was a '66 block. AFAIK: Bob B.'s buddy Steve F. has a numbers matching (eng/trans/ft) HEMI 4-speed '69 Coronet R/T - how can the Q5 car be the only one? I wasn't the one that had the Q5 car listed on ebay, that was actually Keith F. Like I had said, Greg doesn't do computers much less the internet. I just got off the phone with Greg, he called asking if I had posted what the real story was. We were discussing cars and who owns them. The F6 car has a questionable history as far as being numbers matching. The original engine was gone when Anatole (sp) owned it before it went to the Otis Chandler Collection. The assembly numbers have supposedly never been verified on it. So who knows. Steve F. owns the F6 R/T, the B7 R/T and also a 68 Maroon Hemi Coronet R/T Conv. that also came from Dennis Phelps. Greg also said that Steve owns the 69 F8 Hemi R/R Conv, he bought it from Bob B. about a year ago. Greg said that he'd part with the Sunfire Yellow Hemi Road Runner Conv. if someone offered him an interesting E-Body trade. He's actually more into E-Bodies anyway.
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Re: 1968 Hemi GTX Convertible
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I was wrong on the Q5 car, Steve has the F6 and B7 RT ragtops.
The Y2 Dodge ragtop is simply that.
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Re: 1968 Hemi GTX Convertible
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Is this the Y2 car? It could be, it looks like it. Bob B. didn't want the Recall Wheels that were on the Q5 Coronet so Greg kept them and put them and the redline tires on the Road Runner. I had a quick look at the Hemi Road Runner Conv. when I was at Greg's house to document how to paint a 71 Challenger R/T grille and tailpanel. Which of course Greg has one of. Factory Curious Yellow 383, 4 spd R/T (Shaker hood was added). It's the one that I hung all the rear sheet metal on about 6 years ago. Greg stores the Hemi Road Runner Conv. on a 4 post lift with the 71 Challenger R/T underneath it. He actually has two Sunfire Yellow Road Runner Convertibles, the real Hemi one and another that's a 383 4sd car that has a Hemi in it. The Hemi (new crate motor) in the clone will get pulled in the near future and installed in his Tor-Red/Hemi Orange 71 Cuda Conv (currently at the body shop getting redone)
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Re: 1968 Hemi GTX Convertible
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Yes that is the Y2 Runner. That photo is inside a garage in Ajax Ontario. It was sold into Rochester and I understand from this thread it is now in MO.
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