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Holley 8896 vs 9375 #224606
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About a month ago there was a post on here where someone wanted to know the difference between a 9375 and a 8896. I said one of the differences was that the 9375 has annular boosters and the 8896 didn't. I was told that was not true that all Dominators had annular boosters. I said that I had 3 9375's in the shop, but my 8896 was on my dragster so I could not look at it. Today I took it off and it does not have what I call annular boosters. The 9375's have boosters that are open in the middle and have a lip formed around the edge of the booster venturi throat and a series of radial drillings just under it. The 8896 has boosters that have a half pipe going through the middle that the fuel comes out of. These carbs I have are the old non-HP ones, which I like better. I am not trying to rub anyones nose in anything, but I learn a LOT from this site and would like for others to also and get the correct info. There may be some 8896's that do have annular boosters, but mine does not and it is factory.

Re: Holley 8896 vs 9375 [Re: drag440] #224607
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Id like to see some pictures please.

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To my knowledge there is some diff in booster types, mainly the count of holes 6 vs 12. Not saying there isn't a such animal, but all my years of running, buying selling, and viewing countless for sale adds on Ebay motors, racing junk, and many other classifieds etc, I have seen no such animal. I have actually owned a dominator with a type of individual choke towers per bore (read 20 years old) and it had annual boosters.

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The 8896 vs 9375 uses the identical main bodies. The main diff is in the metering block (no provision for power valve) and maybe some variations of air bleeds etc.

The newer revisions offer little performance gains over the older dominator carbs, if both tuned properly. The added ease of changing air bleeds is what makes them more desirable. Its easy enough to convert these to screw in air bleeds also. I have even added these jets in the main body (intermediate circuit), to help the part throttle blues.

So post some pic already


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Re: Holley 8896 vs 9375 [Re: Bob_Coomer] #224608
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I wish I knew how to post pics. The 8896 booster does not have any holes for the fuel to come out of. When you look down in the booster from the top it looks like a piece of pipe going across from side to side in the middle of the booster. When you look at it from the bottom you notice the pipe is open to let the fuel out. I think the booster part number is 21R-718? Again I wish I could do pics because everyone says the two carbs have the same main bodys and I have one of each and the boosters are totaly different. I have owned and rebuilt a lot of each over the years and all of them I have seen have always looked different. Why do I always get the odd balls? Can someone take a pic of their 8896 so I can see if it is different than mine?

Re: Holley 8896 vs 9375 [Re: drag440] #224609
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The booster you describe is NOT an annular booster. I think it's called a LOG type.
I have changed them out of an older 8082 Dominator.
I have a newer 8896 whitch means 3 circuit (intermediate), I am sure it has annular boosters. I will post pics later tonite or tomorrow.
The 9375 IIRC is dual quad carb, and it has a leaner calibration. I will look in my catalog for the descriptions. Don

Re: Holley 8896 vs 9375 [Re: cudadon] #224610
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My 8896-2 has anular booster's and they are the 6 hole.


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Re: Holley 8896 vs 9375 [Re: dartman366] #224611
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I don't know how old my 8896 is, but it just has 8896 on it. It does not have screw in bleeds either. All of my 9375's have 6 hole annular boosters.

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I have tested the 8896 (non Hp) versus the non HP 9375 on a 440 brackt motor with a Mopar M1 4500 intake on the motor, both carbs had the stock jetting and squirters and squirter cams. The 9375 was quicker and fater than the 8896 Same thing on a engine on a DTS engine dyno, the stock 9375 was worth about 8 hp more and 5 ft. lbs more torque than the 8896


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I have tested the 8896 (non Hp) versus the non HP 9375 on a 440 brackt motor with a Mopar M1 4500 intake on the motor, both carbs had the stock jetting and squirters and squirter cams. The 9375 was quicker and fater than the 8896 Same thing on a engine on a DTS engine dyno, the stock 9375 was worth about 8 hp more and 5 ft. lbs more torque than the 8896


Thats why I have so many 9375's and only one 8896, because I always thought they ran better in any aplication, but I have never had a 8896 with the annular boosters.

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I have tested the 8896 (non Hp) versus the non HP 9375 on a 440 brackt motor with a Mopar M1 4500 intake on the motor, both carbs had the stock jetting and squirters and squirter cams. The 9375 was quicker and fater than the 8896 Same thing on a engine on a DTS engine dyno, the stock 9375 was worth about 8 hp more and 5 ft. lbs more torque than the 8896




Cab, you tested both with stock jetting... did you
optimize the jetting on each to find out which really
made more power. I can see the 9375 making more power
than the 8896 if it was fatter. My 8896 came with
88s in both front and rear, I ended up with 94s in
both sides for the best runs

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I have tested the 8896 (non Hp) versus the non HP 9375 on a 440 brackt motor with a Mopar M1 4500 intake on the motor, both carbs had the stock jetting and squirters and squirter cams. The 9375 was quicker and fater than the 8896 Same thing on a engine on a DTS engine dyno, the stock 9375 was worth about 8 hp more and 5 ft. lbs more torque than the 8896




Cab, you tested both with stock jetting... did you
optimize the jetting on each to find out which really
made more power. I can see the 9375 making more power
than the 8896 if it was fatter. My 8896 came with
88s in both front and rear, I ended up with 94s in
both sides for the best runs





I was going to ask the same question. if not the test was useless.

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I have tested the 8896 (non Hp) versus the non HP 9375 on a 440 brackt motor with a Mopar M1 4500 intake on the motor, both carbs had the stock jetting and squirters and squirter cams. The 9375 was quicker and fater than the 8896 Same thing on a engine on a DTS engine dyno, the stock 9375 was worth about 8 hp more and 5 ft. lbs more torque than the 8896



Cab, you tested both with stock jetting... did you
optimize the jetting on each to find out which really
made more power. I can see the 9375 making more power
than the 8896 if it was fatter. My 8896 came with
88s in both front and rear, I ended up with 94s in
both sides for the best runs





I was going to ask the same question. if not the test was useless.


Raz, Quicktree, no jetting changes on the 8896 as the wide ban on the dyno said it was in the same AFR range as the 9375 on the dyno, 12.70 to 12.80. I did later try going up and down one jet size on one of the 9375 and it lost a little power on both changes In the car the bracket motor did like one size up(#93 Holley jets) during the cooler months in the Mojave desert, below 60F and when it got real hot,above 100F it like one size smaller(#91) than the stock jets the rest of the year it ran the quickest and fastest with 92 jets, that was on a 440 bracket motor in a Duster with a M1 4500 intake and a K&N air filter, the hood had a 6 pak scoop on it. that car ran low 11s to high to mid 10s at the local tracks in SO CA back then, LACR and at Las Vegas.
EDIT, I did try a 8896-2HP Dominator on a motor on another 446 bracket motor on the same DTS engine dyno and that rascal was way to fat out of the box, AFR read 11.0s I had to have The Carb Shop modify metering plates and block the rear power valve off with 92 jets in the rear and run 84 jets in the front with a 3.5 power valve, still not as good as a stock 9375 non HP

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Re: Holley 8896 vs 9375 [Re: Cab_Burge] #224617
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So cab have you ever converted the 9375 to a 2 circuit metering block system?There are alot of "seasoned" street racers out there that have successfully modified and installed 4150 metering blocks to the 9375 and made a terrific big arm street carb.
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I'd love to know how to modify a non-HP 9375 for improved street mannners. Anybody have any tips?

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I'd love to know how to modify a non-HP 9375 for improved street mannners. Anybody have any tips?



There is a Chevy site called www.chevelles.com with lots of great information on Dominator tuning for the street.I just googled "dominator stumble" or "difference between 8896 and 9375" and you will bring up all the info and links you need to tune your big Holley.There will be a link to the Innovate site which is a very technical site so read up on terms like "AFR" and "EGT" to better understand what they are trying to say.
I have installed some 4150 metering blocks on my 9375 to try when the snow melts and my engine is done.
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So cab have you ever converted the 9375 to a 2 circuit metering block system?Gus


No, I have not treid changing any of the metering plates on any of the 9375 carbs that I have used in the cars or on engines on the dyno, they ran fine stock The 8896-2 HP was the first Dominator carb. that I had that needed metering block modifications In fact I hadn't even heard of trying to use a 4150 block on any 4500 carbs I haven't tried using a Dominator carb on a street car yet so I can't provide any insight or knowledge on that subject. I like six paks on the street though Maybe I'll have try a Dominator or two on ther street soon

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Yeah I really wasn't looking to run one on my car but it just kinda fell into my lap(that would hurt)last year.I always heard they had a stumble issue on the street and the fuel would dribble out at slight throttle opening.So I done some research and wound up on a few Chevy sites and another high tech tuning site for the Innovate Engineering testing equipment site.Now there are some very good fuel system tuners on that site.
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I usually run 92 to 94 jets in 9375's. I never tried my 9375 on my dragster, but I did try different jets in my 8896, up and down, and 94's were the fastest in that carb also with no power valves.







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