Re: Edelbrock of idle stumble 440 engine
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what's the initial? ported or manifold? Is AP tip in immediate/adequate volume? does it do it when fully warmed up? idle vacuum? what springs are in there? float level at 7/16 or slightly lower (richer)? they (the 1406) are lean & I would purchase the strip kit
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Re: Edelbrock of idle stumble 440 engine
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IMO, off-idle stumble is the hallmark of the Edelbrock...running the idle mixture a little over-rich helps more than the other solutions.
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Re: Edelbrock of idle stumble 440 engine
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see if you have a "square" or very close to that
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Re: Edelbrock of idle stumble 440 engine
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Also begin saving your pennies and dimes for a different carb. At least half the 750 Edelbrocks out there have a pretty incurable stumble. They are famous for this.
When the inevitable post comes along after me saying "I run 10s with my Edelbrock 750" you can sell yours to him. It never fails. During the time that I was buying carburetors from Ebay I noticed that the 750 Edelbrocks were selling for less.
R. Does yours run 10's with a Holley? Just wondering. Nothing is incurable, just hasn't had the correct fix applied. If the car stumbles it's either rich or lean at the hit. Determine which it is and correct the issue. Doug
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Re: Edelbrock of idle stumble 440 engine
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Re: Edelbrock of idle stumble 440 engine
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But when I stomp on the gas it goes completely flat/lean for a sec, then must get a burst ofgas and goes balls out.. I'm sure you've checked this but is the AP tip in immediate upon the slightest throttle movement? & of good duration and are you on ported for the vac can?
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Re: Edelbrock of idle stumble 440 engine
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But when I stomp on the gas it goes completely flat/lean for a sec, then must get a burst ofgas and goes balls out.. I'm sure you've checked this but is the AP tip in immediate upon the slightest throttle movement? & of good duration and are you on ported for the vac can? Yeah, my issue may be diff. than the ops. I saw a good stream of fuel before in carb before I changed the AP and squirter. I moved to teh closest hole to airhorn with no help. I have a vacuum secondary casrb. Vacuum is high at idle at 21. Hopefully the op can lessen his issues with timing and A/F. There are just so many threads all over the internet with this issue and that these carbs aren't meant for modified engines..
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Re: Edelbrock of idle stumble 440 engine
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I would see what the squirt looks like in your driveway at the offending RPM that it does it out on the road. You wouldn't be under a load but it might show something, it has to be lean for a reason & you'd think it'd be a reasonably easy thing to pin down. my 1406 needed richening (rods/jets) & would bog cuz the choke came off to quick (& I'm talking normal driving
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Re: Edelbrock of idle stumble 440 engine
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It's done all the time. I don't think the bungs cost more than a couple $$.
The O2 sensor on gasoline engines has an 18mm x 1.5 thread same as a spark plug. People have used spark plug "de-foulers" with the externally threaded part cut off.
What my car runs or doesn't run is off the subject. The OP is having problems which sound so familiar, there must be 1000 different posts about this issue. The ironic thing is, most street cars that can run 10s have a 3000+ stall speed torque converter. This means that the engine never sees the condition plaguing the half of 750 Edelbrocks that have the stumble, except maybe on the drive back to the pits.
When I wanted a big Edelbrock I took AndyF's advice and bought an 800.
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Re: Edelbrock of idle stumble 440 engine
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its all good now but I'm wondering if drilling the nozzles is what did the trick
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Re: Edelbrock of idle stumble 440 engine
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Here is what I did , it runs and there is no stumble off of idle , at all , this worked for me.
Drilled out the accelerator nozzles to .045 (went to .041 first)
Installed the .113 primary jets
Installed the .073 X .037 metering rods
Installed the stiffest metering springs This is close to where I am at so I hope it runs once I finally get going. Can you give a brief description of your motor specs/parts as it would help..
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Re: Edelbrock of idle stumble 440 engine
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Here is what I did , it runs and there is no stumble off of idle , at all , this worked for me.
Drilled out the accelerator nozzles to .045 (went to .041 first)
Installed the .113 primary jets
Installed the .073 X .037 metering rods
Installed the stiffest metering springs This is close to where I am at so I hope it runs once I finally get going. Can you give a brief description of your motor specs/parts as it would help.. The engine is a 440 , edelbrock intake and 1411 carburetor , cam is suppose to be a mild cam , I bought it this way so I have no idea what it is the engine.
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Re: Edelbrock of idle stumble 440 engine
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Anyone looking to part with one of these troublesome 750 cfm devices drop me a PM. I'll install it on my Duster which has wide band and have a look see.
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Re: Edelbrock of idle stumble 440 engine
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I have finally ended up with one of these notorious carbs, never had any problems with the 600 and 800's that a little tuning did not straighten out.... till now. I acquired a brand new 1411 for free. I put it on a mild 440, 240@50 cam, Holley SD intake and proceeded to tune. Big off line stumble, the distributor needed more initial and a curve anyway, so I bought the plate kit from FBO that allows you to limit total timing in the older MP dist, without having to play the braze up the slot and file game. This thing is great and this particular engine is very happy with 20* initial, 34 total, and using the vac advance adjusted to add 10 at idle on the full time vac port as recommended by FBO. Before I got the plate , I had tried the .043 squirter,HP orange(marine) acc pump plunger, and played with the jet metering rod combos until its infamous off line bog was almost gone, but not quite! Getting all of the timing issues squared away finished it off and made the car a joy to drive under all conditions but one. If you are at a complete stop and floor the throttle, it literally dies! You can hit the throttle briskly and smoke the tires, ease into the throttle and spin tires, but if you mat it, it dies! Pump is at max shot, passages are clear, and it will die every time if you mat it from a standing start, if you are already moving, no problem! it is like it is going massively lean. The floats are perfect, I am frustrated as the devil! I can put the tuned 1406 6oo cfm carb on it and it will come off the line sideways, same with my 800 performer, but that ****###@@ 750 has me stumped. It works great except that one situation. No bog in any other form of accelerating, just full bore from a standing start! Any ideas on this one??? Lee.
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Re: Edelbrock of idle stumble 440 engine
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Just use the google search on top of the Moparts page and enjoy all the lovely threads on the 1407/1411 off idle stumble , and then sit back for a month reading all 10,000 threads on how to fix it
Do you own a drill , a reciprocating saw , hammer , open wallet , and have unlimited time on your hands ???
Perfect , then the 1407/1411 is the carb for you
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Re: Edelbrock of idle stumble 440 engine
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Have ANY of you ever tried drilling the idle feed tube, changing air bleed size? Or is it easier to give up and complain? People will change metering blocks, air bleeds, squirters, squirter cams in Holleys till they turn blue. Heaven forbid you try something on a Edelbrock besides squirters, springs, rods or jets. Think outside the box. If it's lean, richen it up. It's still just a carb. Is it a full race Holley, absolutely not. Can they be a decent carb, yes. Doug
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Re: Edelbrock of idle stumble 440 engine
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Have ANY of you ever tried drilling the idle feed tube, changing air bleed size? Or is it easier to give up and complain? People will change metering blocks, air bleeds, squirters, squirter cams in Holleys till they turn blue. Heaven forbid you try something on a Edelbrock besides squirters, springs, rods or jets. Think outside the box. If it's lean, richen it up. It's still just a carb. Is it a full race Holley, absolutely not. Can they be a decent carb, yes. Doug It's not rocket science. Look into almost all NSS cars and this is the carb they run and do not have these issues that every one is complaining about. I actually tried the 800's for the last 2 years and then decided to go back to the 750's as my 60 ft times were better and so was my ET. Had a small bog at first and lightened up the rear air doors and the bog is gone.
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Re: Edelbrock of idle stumble 440 engine
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I didn't realize the NSS cars leave the line "OFF IDLE"
Thanx for clarifying that
LOL Anyways
I tried drilling the idle tubes on my 1407 - Didn't work or help or change anything
On the street , daily driver , "OFF IDLE" the Edelbrock 800 series AVS is 1,0000 times better the carb
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Re: Edelbrock of idle stumble 440 engine
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I have finally ended up with one of these notorious carbs, never had any problems with the 600 and 800's that a little tuning did not straighten out.... till now. I acquired a brand new 1411 for free. I put it on a mild 440, 240@50 cam, Holley SD intake and proceeded to tune. Big off line stumble, the distributor needed more initial and a curve anyway, so I bought the plate kit from FBO that allows you to limit total timing in the older MP dist, without having to play the braze up the slot and file game. This thing is great and this particular engine is very happy with 20* initial, 34 total, and using the vac advance adjusted to add 10 at idle on the full time vac port as recommended by FBO. Before I got the plate , I had tried the .043 squirter,HP orange(marine) acc pump plunger, and played with the jet metering rod combos until its infamous off line bog was almost gone, but not quite! Getting all of the timing issues squared away finished it off and made the car a joy to drive under all conditions but one. If you are at a complete stop and floor the throttle, it literally dies! You can hit the throttle briskly and smoke the tires, ease into the throttle and spin tires, but if you mat it, it dies! Pump is at max shot, passages are clear, and it will die every time if you mat it from a standing start, if you are already moving, no problem! it is like it is going massively lean. The floats are perfect, I am frustrated as the devil! I can put the tuned 1406 6oo cfm carb on it and it will come off the line sideways, same with my 800 performer, but that ****###@@ 750 has me stumped. It works great except that one situation. No bog in any other form of accelerating, just full bore from a standing start! Any ideas on this one??? Lee. This is mine to a tee. But mine dies flat from stop or while moving, then kicks in hard. A little scary as it breaks loose and gets a little wild. Probably won't address it til springtime.
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Re: Edelbrock of idle stumble 440 engine
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I didn't realize the NSS cars leave the line "OFF IDLE"
Thanx for clarifying that
LOL Anyways
I tried drilling the idle tubes on my 1407 - Didn't work or help or change anything
On the street , daily driver , "OFF IDLE" the Edelbrock 800 series AVS is 1,0000 times better the carb
Many do. Mine will, but for reaction time I leave higher. Doug
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Re: Edelbrock of idle stumble 440 engine
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I didn't realize the NSS cars leave the line "OFF IDLE"
Thanx for clarifying that
LOL Anyways
I tried drilling the idle tubes on my 1407 - Didn't work or help or change anything
On the street , daily driver , "OFF IDLE" the Edelbrock 800 series AVS is 1,0000 times better the carb
Many do. Mine will, but for reaction time I leave higher. Doug Most times I do leave off idle and still no issues. Like Doug I do get on the converter at times to adjust reaction times. In fact when I do leave off idle my 60 ft times are better as I flash the converter more. Just the RT thats different.
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Re: Edelbrock of idle stumble 440 engine
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I figured a bunch of guys would get in touch with me to get rid of their troublesome 750's
A single board member has been in touch after a week.
Actually had enough time to dwell on it and considering fuel injection!
Just thought it was funny...
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Re: Edelbrock of idle stumble 440 engine
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I have a 1407 I'll sell you that came off my hemi for $150. It"s in like new condition with all factory settings.
The same price I sold the other one to a friend who has it on his corvette. I'm all set, picked up a new Carter Comp series 750 this morning off Ebay.
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