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Re: Do you fill your oil filters before installing? [Re: 6PakBee] #216804
02/08/09 10:20 AM
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Such a debate over something that only takes a couple of added seconds to do and doesn't cost anything. It isn't like it is doing something at great time loss, is difficult, or high cost. Any time that you can decrease the amount of time it takes for oil pressure to build it is added time to engine life. You spend a lot of money for a engine or engine build why not spend nothing to add a little lifetime to that engine. I have seen a lot of $$$ spent on things that will do less. Whether you feel it helps or not it sure isn't going to hurt.

Re: Do you fill your oil filters before installing? [Re: MoparforLife] #216805
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I won't debate the merits of filling vs not filling. But something did just strike me as funny. A meticulous mopar guy like me (and most of us here), carefully changing his oil, then filling the filter. Then, after carefully warming up the motor, dropping the hammer, laying a couple of black marks, and burning through the gears at near the redline.

Re: Do you fill your oil filters before installing? [Re: monoptn] #216806
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We all have our opinions on this subject and some are more pigheaded about the yea's or nay's of prefilling it or not. I say, "A ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure!" I have been doing it for years and I have noticed that in some cars, knocking as well as the pressure comes up quicker with pre-filling the filter first.
The way to prevent oil from spilling out is to fill the filter first and let it sit while you drain the pan. You will notice that the oil has been soaked into the filter. I have even gone as far as adding more to the filter to ensure it's full. To each there own.

Hey, you do what you do, and I do what I do!

Re: Do you fill your oil filters before installing? [Re: stubbs300 ] #216807
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We all have our opinions on this subject and some are more pigheaded about the yea's or nay's of prefilling it or not. I say, "A ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure!" I have been doing it for years and I have noticed that in some cars, knocking as well as the pressure comes up quicker with pre-filling the filter first.
The way to prevent oil from spilling out is to fill the filter first and let it sit while you drain the pan. You will notice that the oil has been soaked into the filter. I have even gone as far as adding more to the filter to ensure it's full. To each there own.

Hey, you do what you do, and I do what I do!




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Re: Do you fill your oil filters before installing? [Re: MoparforLife] #216808
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We all have our opinions on this subject and some are more pigheaded about the yea's or nay's of prefilling it or not. I say, "A ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure!" I have been doing it for years and I have noticed that in some cars, knocking as well as the pressure comes up quicker with pre-filling the filter first.
The way to prevent oil from spilling out is to fill the filter first and let it sit while you drain the pan. You will notice that the oil has been soaked into the filter. I have even gone as far as adding more to the filter to ensure it's full. To each there own.

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Re: Do you fill your oil filters before installing? [Re: CR8CRSHR] #216809
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I only fill the ones that are upright---oil and fuel.

Re: Do you fill your oil filters before installing? [Re: Michael] #216810
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Re: Do you fill your oil filters before installing? [Re: tonycpe] #216811
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this is the last time I am going to open this thread. Now where is my preoiling shaft


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Re: Do you fill your oil filters before installing? [Re: RapidRobert] #216812
02/08/09 07:08 PM
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And as the poll states...three out four of us do it. Notice that not one person has offered up a why not reason other than the chance of spillage, and coming from someone who doesn't do it, how would they know how NOT to spill?

Re: Do you fill your oil filters before installing? [Re: MoparforLife] #216813
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We all have our opinions on this subject and some are more pigheaded about the yea's or nay's of prefilling it or not. I say, "A ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure!" I have been doing it for years and I have noticed that in some cars, knocking as well as the pressure comes up quicker with pre-filling the filter first.
The way to prevent oil from spilling out is to fill the filter first and let it sit while you drain the pan. You will notice that the oil has been soaked into the filter. I have even gone as far as adding more to the filter to ensure it's full. To each there own.

Hey, you do what you do, and I do what I do!







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Re: Do you fill your oil filters before installing? [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #216814
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And as the poll states...three out four of us do it. Notice that not one person has offered up a why not reason other than the chance of spillage, and coming from someone who doesn't do it, how would they know how NOT to spill?




why beat the subject to death ? you are NOT going to change the mind of those that have their mind made up on the subject .

Re: Do you fill your oil filters before installing? [Re: JohnRR] #216815
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And as the poll states...three out four of us do it. Notice that not one person has offered up a why not reason other than the chance of spillage, and coming from someone who doesn't do it, how would they know how NOT to spill?




why beat the subject to death ? you are NOT going to change the mind of those that have their mind made up on the subject .




Not out to change anyones mind, just find it interesting. Kind of a sharing of experiences/practices/ideas. Oh wait thats Moparts!
I am surprised this thread has continued so long, and yea I am part of the reason--so are you John! Enjoy

Re: Do you fill your oil filters before installing? [Re: RapidRobert] #216816
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If you go through the trouble of changing the oil and filter, why would you take a chance on pushing unfiltered oil through your engine? Filling the filter may bring the oil pressure up a little quicker but, the first shot of oil is not filtered. Just because the new oil is in a new jug, it's not a guarrentee the oil is perfectly clean.

Re: Do you fill your oil filters before installing? [Re: MoparforLife] #216817
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Well, here`s a little tidbit for y`all right out of the FSM for my truck:

(7) Using a new pressure relief valve gasket,
install the relief valve plug. Tighten the plug to 20
N·m (15 ft. lbs.) torque.
(8) Install oil filter that has been filled with oil.

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Re: Do you fill your oil filters before installing? [Re: gamagoat6x6] #216818
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Well, here`s a little tidbit for y`all right out of the FSM for my truck:

(7) Using a new pressure relief valve gasket,
install the relief valve plug. Tighten the plug to 20
N·m (15 ft. lbs.) torque.
(8) Install oil filter that has been filled with oil.




Is that not from a pump repair section? I believe they want you to do it that way so the crank driven pump does not lose its prime. What does the book state in the maintence section on filter change??

Re: Do you fill your oil filters before installing? [Re: 6PakBee] #216819
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I never did prefill an oil filter. I suppose it's a good idea, I just never bothered. No reason not to, no reason to either, I don't think any engine has ever been harmed by it. If the engine was actually losing critical oil pressure during a dry start-up I think we'd hear something, be it lifters bleeding down or whatnot. I watched the oil pressure gauge on mine after an oil change and the extra time it took to start building oil pressure(compared to normal) was almost nothing.

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When I had my turbo Daytona,they told me point blank I'd better prefill it by cranking the engine over with the coil wire grounded. They claimed they had actually replaced some turbos and had seen premature turbo failures due to oil changes when people started them up with dry filters.




I have to LOL at that. At idle speed the turbine on the turbo is not even spinning, or if it is, it's barely just slightly moving. So unless you change your oil, start the engine up and immediately mash the pedal to full boost, I don't see how you could have a problem. Even then oil would get there so quick you could never do any damage.

Re: Do you fill your oil filters before installing? [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #216820
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I had an old 93 VW VR6 with the open element cannister filter. Loved it. Was super easy to prefill. Cap was almost 6 qts full. Got me in the habit to do with everything I can.


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Re: Do you fill your oil filters before installing? [Re: A38s!] #216821
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I always fill my oil filters prior to installing them. Even on my F150 I6 where the filter is mounted horizontally. I can at least get it half full without spilling a drop.


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Re: Do you fill your oil filters before installing? [Re: bigD] #216822
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FWIW, some filters have a standpipe for use in "upside down" installations, the Baldwin B253 has the same mounting dimensions as the typical Mopar and has a standpipe to help prevent drainback.


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Re: Do you fill your oil filters before installing? [Re: RapidRobert] #216823
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