Re: Does cam change affect torque converter stall?
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It would make a difference on where you put it in but yes the cam will change the torque.. might just be where the torque is made(up higher) but if you advance the cam it will move the curve lower.... I put my 416 cam in straight up(on the roller) because I didnt want to make more torque to make it stall higher.. on my FT cam I moved it 4 degrees advanced for the torque(because its a smaller cam)
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Re: Does cam change affect torque converter stall?
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What sort of difference have you seen in the other increments and is your et slower overall ?
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Re: Does cam change affect torque converter stall?
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If the converter is correct with the combination, foot brake or trans brake the car should 60 foot pretty close to identical times. Same with changing starting line rpm's. Should have very little if any effect. Changing staging rpm will effect your reaction times though.
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Re: Does cam change affect torque converter stall?
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I believe the stall changes with the square root of available torque. So a small drop in torque from a bigger cam won't drop stall much, but it will drop some. BUT, you now have a double whammy. A bit less stall and a motor that doesn't like it.
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Re: Does cam change affect torque converter stall?
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greg is right, the converter "K" factor varies with the square root of torque so the change will be small.
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Re: Does cam change affect torque converter stall?
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I believe the stall changes with the square root of available torque. So a small drop in torque from a bigger cam won't drop stall much, but it will drop some. BUT, you now have a double whammy. A bit less stall and a motor that doesn't like it. Could someone explain the square root factor ? THANKS
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Re: Does cam change affect torque converter stall?
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If a converter will stall 3000 rpm with 200 ft lbs of torque, then doubling the stall to 6000 rpm will take four times the torque, or 800 ft lbs. If you find the square root of 200ft lbs, then divide it into the rpm the converter stalled at, (3000) you get what they call the K factor. Do the same with 800 ft lbs, divide the 6000 rpm by that square root of 800 and you will get the same number, or the same K factor. So the K factor is the constant that will tell you what stall speed you will have once you know how much torque changed. Multiply the square root of the torque by the K factor and you get the stall speed.
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