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Re: e-85 Tuning [Re: Monte_Smith] #2106127 07/08/16 09:57 AM 07/08/16 09:57 AM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Originally Posted By Monte_Smith Originally Posted By Thumperdart I get my VP-101 unleaded from a local Arco station is that junk too........... That's not pump gas. And as far as knowing the percentage drop like MrP said, that still doesn't tell you WHAT they dropped, just how much of it On the drop sheet they have to show what was dropped but it will say 87 octane normally.. not very often will you see 89

Re: e-85 Tuning [Re: 451Mopar] #2106142 07/08/16 10:39 AM 07/08/16 10:39 AM
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 407 NE Indiana momopar mopar
momopar mopar Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 407 NE Indiana	Can I post a link to Y.B.? (or is that not in good taste?)

Re: e-85 Tuning [Re: momopar] #2106185 07/08/16 12:18 PM 07/08/16 12:18 PM
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Triple Threat master T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,266 Renton Washington	Originally Posted By momopar Can I post a link to Y.B.? (or is that not in good taste?) Yes you can post the link. -Dustin 67 Dart, 9 second, 392" G3 Hemi 68 Barracuda 340 F/SA

Re: e-85 Tuning [Re: dthemi] #2106186 07/08/16 12:20 PM 07/08/16 12:20 PM
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Triple Threat master T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,266 Renton Washington	Originally Posted By dthemi Hey P body, grab a fiver of C85, and see what you pick up sometime. I need to do this. . . I've heard some guys picked up a few numbers and some don't notice a change. I'm sure that is very combo and tune dependent. -Dustin 67 Dart, 9 second, 392" G3 Hemi 68 Barracuda 340 F/SA

Re: e-85 Tuning [Re: 451Mopar] #2106211 07/08/16 01:09 PM 07/08/16 01:09 PM
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 407 NE Indiana momopar mopar
momopar mopar Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 407 NE Indiana	http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=283787www. This chart should help out the op. I researched widebands and there was not alot of info on re-calibrating them for e85? (even on the innovate site) After reading this a few time it made sense that these are the numbers to shoot for. and like Mark said "stay out of the red" (those guys can be pretty raw over there sometimes so read at your own demise eh?) Last edited by momopar; 07/08/16 01:29 PM.

Re: e-85 Tuning [Re: MR_P_BODY] #2106256 07/08/16 02:35 PM 07/08/16 02:35 PM
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Monte_Smith master M Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,890 North Alabama	Originally Posted By MR_P_BODY Originally Posted By Monte_Smith Originally Posted By Thumperdart I get my VP-101 unleaded from a local Arco station is that junk too........... That's not pump gas. And as far as knowing the percentage drop like MrP said, that still doesn't tell you WHAT they dropped, just how much of it On the drop sheet they have to show what was dropped but it will say 87 octane normally.. not very often will you see 89 My point was, that doesn't tell you what BLEND they dropped in there. Because fuel blends change seasonally. 87 octane is not the same fuel year round. Most guys I know who bracket race with E-85 check it with a hydrometer religiously, or the car runs all over the place, at least around here

Re: e-85 Tuning [Re: Monte_Smith] #2106261 07/08/16 02:37 PM 07/08/16 02:37 PM
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jbc426 master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,277 West Coast, USA	Originally Posted By Monte_Smith GOOD E-85 will be in the .793 area at 60*. The problem with regular E-85 is that it is pump swill and as a result is VERY inconsistent. It can be anywhere from E-55 to E-90 and everywhere in between. Unless you buy it by the drum or mix your own, you will never be guaranteed of its consistency. It's junk fuel, just like any other pump gas Monte, Will the Holley Terminator ECU with the added factory style E-85 fuel sensor allow the system to "automatic" adapt to the variation in ethanol content like the flex fuel vehicles do? 1970 Plymouth 'Cuda #'s 440-6(block in storage)currently 493" 6 pack, Shaker, 5 speed Passon, 4.10's 1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)

Re: e-85 Tuning [Re: Monte_Smith] #2106268 07/08/16 02:52 PM 07/08/16 02:52 PM
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MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Originally Posted By Monte_Smith Originally Posted By MR_P_BODY Originally Posted By Monte_Smith Originally Posted By Thumperdart I get my VP-101 unleaded from a local Arco station is that junk too........... That's not pump gas. And as far as knowing the percentage drop like MrP said, that still doesn't tell you WHAT they dropped, just how much of it On the drop sheet they have to show what was dropped but it will say 87 octane normally.. not very often will you see 89 My point was, that doesn't tell you what BLEND they dropped in there. Because fuel blends change seasonally. 87 octane is not the same fuel year round. Most guys I know who bracket race with E-85 check it with a hydrometer religiously, or the car runs all over the place, at least around here I tested every time I bought E-85 from only 1 place... I used the water tester from QF... the car was always dead on consistent.... it never varied more than .008 all day unless there was a BIG change in the weather... I went to E-85 for 2 main reasons... cheap price and consistency... it had side effects also... some good(temp) and bad.. it liked to absorb moisture and corrode things if it sat for any length of time... that cheap water tester work well.. I even took a sample into work and checked the fuel on our equipment just so I could verify it EDIT when they make E-85 the ethanol always starts at one point.. NEVER E-100.. its E98... the filler product is the gas to get it to lite off easier... so if you check the ethanol content/level it will vary very little IF its SUMMER grade E-85.... yes you might see a point or two.. but thats why you test it.. winter fuel as Monte stated is as low as E-55 and that shows up in the ethanol water test Last edited by MR_P_BODY; 07/08/16 07:26 PM.

Re: e-85 Tuning [Re: 451Mopar] #2106421 07/08/16 07:38 PM 07/08/16 07:38 PM
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Monte_Smith master M Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,890 North Alabama	The problem is the tanks are seldom empty when they drop in another batch

Re: e-85 Tuning [Re: jbc426] #2106424 07/08/16 07:42 PM 07/08/16 07:42 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,890 North Alabama M Monte_Smith master
Monte_Smith master M Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,890 North Alabama	Originally Posted By jbc426 Originally Posted By Monte_Smith GOOD E-85 will be in the .793 area at 60*. The problem with regular E-85 is that it is pump swill and as a result is VERY inconsistent. It can be anywhere from E-55 to E-90 and everywhere in between. Unless you buy it by the drum or mix your own, you will never be guaranteed of its consistency. It's junk fuel, just like any other pump gas Monte, Will the Holley Terminator ECU with the added factory style E-85 fuel sensor allow the system to "automatic" adapt to the variation in ethanol content like the flex fuel vehicles do? No. There is no "flex fuel" programming in the ECU..........Well let me edit that. YES, it can be done in the new V-4 software, but you have to buy some other parts from outside sources Last edited by Monte_Smith; 07/08/16 07:52 PM.

Re: e-85 Tuning [Re: Monte_Smith] #2106427 07/08/16 07:44 PM 07/08/16 07:44 PM
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racerx master Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 4,070 Mo.	Originally Posted By Monte_Smith The problem is the tanks are seldom empty when they drop in another batch this is the reason that I prefer to mix my own.

Re: e-85 Tuning [Re: racerx] #2106540 07/08/16 10:17 PM 07/08/16 10:17 PM
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MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Originally Posted By racerx Originally Posted By Monte_Smith The problem is the tanks are seldom empty when they drop in another batch this is the reason that I prefer to mix my own. Test it.. it tells you the ethanol content..the rest is filler.... its not difficult... it tells you the ethanol level.. thats ALL your concerned with.. like I said already.. its gonna be mixed with 87 octane ... with the test it shows what ethanol level it is.... PERIOD..if the ethanol show low dont buy it...the place I buy it from was ALWAYS 85-86 percent ethanol..but I ONLY bought in the summer.. they have a date that they call the change over but how low will that fuel be in there.. so I waited a month at least...I tested this stuff at work all the time.. it was my job in the fuel lab EDIT the only differences in the mix is the 87 octane that they mix with(filler) is the additives they add.. in summer its very close... winter its a bit higher in RVP(Reid Vapor Pressure)... summer is lower Last edited by MR_P_BODY; 07/09/16 12:21 AM.

Re: e-85 Tuning [Re: 451Mopar] #2108055 07/11/16 06:37 PM 07/11/16 06:37 PM
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451Mopar OP master Joined: May 2008 Posts: 5,399 Aurora, Colorado	Update. I added the E-98 to my junk E-70? and got it to about 77% Ethanol. First time trial was best, Car weight #4,179 lbs, 27x10.5 MT ET Radials, stock suspension with pinion snubber. Bandimere altitude, but I don't have a weather station to know DA, maybe 7,000 ft? R/T = 0.007 60' = 1.849 330' = 5.003 660' = 7.619 MPH = 94.16 1000' = 9.886 1/4 ET = 11.803 MPH = 118.08

Re: e-85 Tuning [Re: 451Mopar] #2108069 07/11/16 07:05 PM 07/11/16 07:05 PM
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MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	You never stated your running E-70.. the place your buying from must not sell much.. E-70 is old fuel(sitting in the tanks for a long time)... do you check the fuel before you buy... I know of one guy on here that says all he can buy is E-70 but he changed the calibration for it... doesnt it say E-85 on the pump

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