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Re: Long ram intakes [Re: gtx6970] #2098000
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Short Rams on a 1960 300F. This engine has had some chromed parts added.

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Re: Long ram intakes [Re: gtx6970] #2098001
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This is what most people usually see at swap meets, just the bare tubes.

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Re: Long ram intakes [Re: gtx6970] #2098004
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But this is what you should really be shopping for, the entire system.

1960 300F long ram 413.jpg413 long ram (2).jpg
Re: Long ram intakes [Re: gtx6970] #2098007
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And these exhaust manifolds if it's a Short Ram setup

Short Ram Exhaust F.jpg1963 Short Ram Exhaust & Intakes (2).jpg
Re: Long ram intakes [Re: gtx6970] #2098030
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I put a pair of longrams on a 496" stroker in my '60 NewYorker.
The engine made this car feel nimble like it just weighs 3000lbs instead of 4500 lbs.



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Originally Posted By ScottSmith_Harms
Here's a stock 1960 300F engine. These were the first production line Long Ram engines. As a rare option you could order Short Rams on these in 1960, I've only seen one and it happened to be a factory 4 speed convertible. I have not seen the documentation but it is said to be legit. The Ram intakes used two designs to heat the carburetors, one version used hot water, and the other used hot air.


Were't all the "pont a mousson" manual transmission letter cars also equipped with the short rams?


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Originally Posted By jcc
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Here's a stock 1960 300F engine. These were the first production line Long Ram engines. As a rare option you could order Short Rams on these in 1960, I've only seen one and it happened to be a factory 4 speed convertible. I have not seen the documentation but it is said to be legit. The Ram intakes used two designs to heat the carburetors, one version used hot water, and the other used hot air.


Were't all the "pont a mousson" manual transmission letter cars also equipped with the short rams?


Yes. Seven hardtops, all built for the 1960 Daytona Speed Weeks (Andy Granatelli built one or two with superchargers). The convertible was a special order for a wealthy, connected buyer. The car was not supposed to have been built.

Re: Long ram intakes [Re: Cab_Burge] #2098085
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Originally Posted By Cab_Burge
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Cab, not 59's, 60 300F's were the first to get them
Me thinks not, I could have bought a 1959 300E convertable with the factory crossram motor in it in 1964. It was in a auto repair shop in 29 Palms, CA and the owner( A Marine) had some work done by the shop and left it for what was owed on the bill. The bill was around $500.00 which was more than I wanted to pay for a big old tank convertable realcrazy A freind of my wifes husband ended up with it years later as she had inherited the garage and all the contents of the garage and storage yard attached. shruggy


What is this " friend of my wife's husband" ?? I need an explanation of this please?? LMAO

Re: Long ram intakes [Re: gtx6970] #2098096
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Did they ever make these intakes in a Max wedge port size ?


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Re: Long ram intakes [Re: gtx6970] #2098113
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How about this one?

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Re: Long ram intakes [Re: gtx6970] #2098147
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my interest is for accuracy in 1/25th scale. such as years and model applications. As an example. I know they were avail on 1960-61 300s but were they also avail on 1962 300s , how about 63 or 64s ?
Were they also avail on New Yorkers or Newports for example.
what about a 1960 Fury?

What color was the engine, the intakes, the air cleaners ( different for short ram versus long ram?)


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Re: Long ram intakes [Re: gtx6970] #2098161
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Did they ever make these intakes in a Max wedge port size ?


No, but I have seen some welded up to fit MW ports, in fact I had a set (the orange ones in my pic of six sets stacked together)

Other than the 60 300F's that had the Short Rams all 60-61 Ram cars (361,383,413) had Long Rams. Engine color and air cleaner colors varied with the make, Chrysler, Desoto, Dodge, etc. all had different color combo's on the engines.

1962 was the odd year where inline dual 4's were the standard equipment on the letter 300's, Long Rams were said to be an option but I've never seen a documented example. They probably built a few but who knows?

Short Rams became standard equipment on Ram equipped 1963 300J cars and 1964 300K cars (all 63 & 64 cars were Short Ram 413's). All 63/64 Short Ram 413's were painted blue with red air cleaners.

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Originally Posted By ScottSmith_Harms
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Did they ever make these intakes in a Max wedge port size ?


No, but I have seen some welded up to fit MW ports, in fact I had a set (the orange ones in my pic of six sets stacked together)

Other than the 60 300F's that had the Short Rams all 60-61 Ram cars (361,383,413) had Long Rams. Engine color and air cleaner colors varied with the make, Chrysler, Desoto, Dodge, etc. all had different color combo's on the engines.

1962 was the odd year where inline dual 4's were the standard equipment on the letter 300's, Long Rams were said to be an option but I've never seen a documented example. They probably built a few but who knows?

Short Rams became standard equipment on Ram equipped 1963 300J cars and 1964 300K cars (all 63 & 64 cars were Short Ram 413's). All 63/64 Short Ram 413's were painted blue with red air cleaners.



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Re: Long ram intakes [Re: gtx6970] #2098218
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Stock 1963 300J Short Ram engine showing correct colors.

Short Ram 63 (4).jpgOriginal 300J Engine.jpg
Re: Long ram intakes [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #2098294
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Originally Posted By ScottSmith_Harms
[quote]1962 was the odd year where inline dual 4's were the standard equipment on the letter 300's, Long Rams were said to be an option but I've never seen a documented example. They probably built a few but who knows?


February 1962 Hot Rod magazine confirms that the short rams were available on a 405hp 413. They also stated that Chrysler would "try to talk anybody out of ordering one." So, who knows, maybe some were built.

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Re: Long ram intakes [Re: WO23Coronet] #2098398
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Originally Posted By WO23Coronet
It would be neat (not necessarily practical) to put one of the 30" versions on a 440 built for towing in a truck, probably be a good fit


Mark Wilson used to have a set of long rams on a 440 in a D350 dually that he towed his A/SA '64 Max Wedge Dodge with. Not sure if they were the 15" or 30" versions.

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I believe Al Wilson's N/SS 60 Plymouth 4 door competes with short rams. It was the number one qualifier in N/SS out of 61 cars yesterday at NMCA/Indy 12.000
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Re: Long ram intakes [Re: Jim_Lusk] #2098420
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Originally Posted By Jim_Lusk
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1962 was the odd year where inline dual 4's were the standard equipment on the letter 300's, Long Rams were said to be an option but I've never seen a documented example. They probably built a few but who knows?


February 1962 Hot Rod magazine confirms that the short rams were available on a 405hp 413. They also stated that Chrysler would "try to talk anybody out of ordering one." So, who knows, maybe some were built.
pretty sure ray brock raced a 300H.

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how much higher in the rpm scale do the short rams work, and is it possible to "shorten" the divider in the long rams ? my intakes are from a 300F, and i have every part except the carbs and air cleaners. i certainly won't be using any of the exhaust parts, and the intakes have a couple of issues. one, the 4 hole dividers have been hacked out, and two, the exhaust heater chambers have several pin holes. my thoughts for this engine were to use a pair of thermoquads, and build for maximum torque, letting horse power fall where ever it ends up being. but it would still be nice to crank around 5800-6000. i haven't decided on a cubic inch total, nor on a 400 or 440 base block. thoughts ?
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I have a nice set, with only the linkage. There is info on converting 30's to 15". I plan on taking this route, and convert to port EFI, which if one doesn't care much about the finished look, is really the only current practical solution today. OEM, they are not user friendly, based my experience in HS with our 300F, but Dad owned a gas station, and 8mpg was not an issue. eyes

In my combination of a stroker 440, I just don't see me expecting much past 4800rpm, before it starves for air. The stock LR ports are smallish IMO.

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