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Re: FINALLY got me a 360.. [Re: DARTH V8Я] #2077561 05/21/16 09:48 AM 05/21/16 09:48 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,027 Tulsa OK Bad340fish master
Bad340fish master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,027 Tulsa OK	Originally Posted By DARTH V8R Originally Posted By Thumperdart Jason Pettis has seen 20+ hp per point.......... Really? Thats a lot. Personally seen a BBC that went from 10:1 to 13:1 with nothing else changed and it gain only 40hp. Now he has to run race gas. Maybe there's more gain going from 8:1 to 11:1 (same 3pt increase)? I have nothing personally to back this up but from what I have read it seems the gains diminish as the compression gets higher. Much more to be gained from going from 8:1 to 10:1 than there is from 12:1 to 14:1. The only downside to W2s in my opinion is that they are Iron. My Dad and I built a W2 headed 416 for drag week. We had to lower the compression some to know we would be safe on pump gas and its HEAVY. It took three full turns on the torsion bars to support the R1 W2 headed 416 over my aluminum headed 360. 68 Barracuda Formula S 340

Re: FINALLY got me a 360.. [Re: DARTH V8Я] #2077632 05/21/16 12:47 PM 05/21/16 12:47 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,155 Tucson, Arizona clonestocker top fuel
clonestocker top fuel Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,155 Tucson, Arizona	Originally Posted By DARTH V8R Well hopefully I'll get a PM about some W2's Rockers Rockers Rockers [img] [/img]

Re: FINALLY got me a 360.. [Re: Bad340fish] #2077662 05/21/16 02:12 PM 05/21/16 02:12 PM
Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 2,154 Its a TRAP! DARTH V8Я OP Oh No!! I just had a moron attack!
DARTH V8Я OP Oh No!! I just had a moron attack! Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 2,154 Its a TRAP!	Originally Posted By Bad340fish It took three full turns on the torsion bars to support the R1 W2 headed 416 over my aluminum headed 360. Try a 440 in a 73 Dart. When it takes more than a sweet mullet to prove you rule at the trailer park..

Re: FINALLY got me a 360.. [Re: DARTH V8Я] #2077689 05/21/16 03:02 PM 05/21/16 03:02 PM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 1,751 Graham, WA P Polarapete top fuel
Polarapete top fuel P Joined: May 2003 Posts: 1,751 Graham, WA	Originally Posted By DARTH V8R Well hopefully I'll get a PM about some W2's I have no idea if this is a good deal or not, but here is a CL listing in Western Washington for Aluminum W2 heads http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/pts/5595446824.html They are not mine, I don't need them, you can have them. Good luck. Corrected I first thought they were iron. Last edited by Polarapete; 05/21/16 07:09 PM. 1986 Dodge Ramcharger 440 2wd, Bracket Racer Under Construction 1998 Ram 2500 QuadCab, new daily driver. 2008 Honda Element 2014 Carry-On 7x14 Cargo Trailer

Re: FINALLY got me a 360.. [Re: DARTH V8Я] #2077730 05/21/16 04:15 PM 05/21/16 04:15 PM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 13,194 aZLiViN J J_BODY I Live Here
J_BODY I Live Here J Joined: May 2003 Posts: 13,194 aZLiViN	W2 heads??? hey now you're entering cast crank power territory!

Re: FINALLY got me a 360.. [Re: J_BODY] #2077793 05/21/16 06:44 PM 05/21/16 06:44 PM
Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 2,154 Its a TRAP! DARTH V8Я OP Oh No!! I just had a moron attack!
DARTH V8Я OP Oh No!! I just had a moron attack! Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 2,154 Its a TRAP!	Originally Posted By J_BODY W2 heads??? hey now you're entering cast crank power territory! Sayin can't run 9's with an W2 Iron heads & cast crank? When it takes more than a sweet mullet to prove you rule at the trailer park..

Re: FINALLY got me a 360.. [Re: DARTH V8Я] #2077804 05/21/16 07:04 PM 05/21/16 07:04 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Originally Posted By DARTH V8R Originally Posted By J_BODY W2 heads??? hey now you're entering cast crank power territory! Sayin can't run 9's with an W2 Iron heads & cast crank? They will run in the 9s.. the thing about W-2s you need to watch for.. they made them in 2 different installed heights..1.88 which is the standard lenght valve and then they made a 2.00 installed height which use a long valve.. I have a set of each.. on my Rampage I am running the long valve W-2s which I ported and they flow 310 at .650 with a 2.08 valve.. they could go a little more but core shift might be a issue.. mine have some core shift and I busted through 1 intake runner when I was clearancing the push rods.. I had to tube it... I run 9.56 with them.. thats with the same cam I have in the 416 right now(.640 lift)... they are a very good head but heavy.. alum heads will knock off 40# for the pair... this 416 dynoed at 590hp with a 950 carb EDIT Also when I ran that 9.56 it was with a 395ci Last edited by MR_P_BODY; 05/21/16 07:06 PM.

Re: FINALLY got me a 360.. [Re: J_BODY] #2077979 05/21/16 11:23 PM 05/21/16 11:23 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,155 Tucson, Arizona clonestocker top fuel
clonestocker top fuel Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,155 Tucson, Arizona	Originally Posted By J_BODY W2 heads??? hey now you're entering cast crank power territory! I've got an E58 standard bore block under the bench. If cam is small enough you can use Crane rockers also. Have some of those in the drawer. Then they start to get expensive. [img] [/img]

Re: FINALLY got me a 360.. [Re: MR_P_BODY] #2078031 05/22/16 12:31 AM 05/22/16 12:31 AM
Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 2,154 Its a TRAP! DARTH V8Я OP Oh No!! I just had a moron attack!
DARTH V8Я OP Oh No!! I just had a moron attack! Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 2,154 Its a TRAP!	Originally Posted By MR_P_BODY They will run in the 9s.. the thing about W-2s you need to watch for.. they made them in 2 different installed heights..1.88 which is the standard lenght valve and then they made a 2.00 installed height which use a long valve.. I have a set of each.. on my Rampage I am running the long valve W-2s which I ported and they flow 310 at .650 with a 2.08 valve.. they could go a little more but core shift might be a issue.. mine have some core shift and I busted through 1 intake runner when I was clearancing the push rods.. I had to tube it... I run 9.56 with them.. thats with the same cam I have in the 416 right now(.640 lift)... they are a very good head but heavy.. alum heads will knock off 40# for the pair... this 416 dynoed at 590hp with a 950 carb EDIT Also when I ran that 9.56 it was with a 395ci That's some solid info. Thank you very much Mr P Body. When it takes more than a sweet mullet to prove you rule at the trailer park..

Re: FINALLY got me a 360.. [Re: DARTH V8Я] #2078044 05/22/16 12:56 AM 05/22/16 12:56 AM
Joined: Jun 2014 Posts: 5,183 P Porter67 master
Porter67 master P Joined: Jun 2014 Posts: 5,183	Mr. P... whats the length on the long valves your using?

Re: FINALLY got me a 360.. [Re: Porter67] #2078050 05/22/16 01:11 AM 05/22/16 01:11 AM
Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 2,154 Its a TRAP! DARTH V8Я OP Oh No!! I just had a moron attack!
DARTH V8Я OP Oh No!! I just had a moron attack! Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 2,154 Its a TRAP!	Originally Posted By Porter67 Mr. P... whats the length on the long valves your using? Probably 5.28" Stem Length. When it takes more than a sweet mullet to prove you rule at the trailer park..

Re: FINALLY got me a 360.. [Re: Porter67] #2078154 05/22/16 11:22 AM 05/22/16 11:22 AM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Originally Posted By Porter67 Mr. P... whats the length on the long valves your using? 5.40".... 5.29" is the stock length for the standard length head(W-2 and W-5) EDIT Dont bother trying to use long valves in a short valve head... it doesnt work... the pedestals are in a different location.. unless you mill the stands off and relocate them and the different height Last edited by MR_P_BODY; 05/22/16 11:29 AM.

Re: FINALLY got me a 360.. [Re: MR_P_BODY] #2078250 05/22/16 01:54 PM 05/22/16 01:54 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,179 PA. pittsburghracer "Little"John
pittsburghracer "Little"John Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,179 PA.	Do lots of research before buying W2 heads to avoid some issues and to make sure you get the set-up you want or need. I bought a set of Econo W2 heads and picked up some Crane and MP W2 rockers. I did some port work and with the stock 2.02 valves they were flowing slightly over 300 cfm. I ported the W2 intake and threw it in my Duster. After cam break-in I started it a few times in the shop and noticed a small puddle of water on the passenger side. Sure enough the heads cracked on the outside lower row of bolts by the W2 cast into the head. I ground the crack out and used Splash-zone epoxy to fix it and headed to the track. My Duster ran high 9 with that combo but about 3 months later the drivers-side head cracked in the same spot and even after a quick repair the crack continued to grow. After some reading I found out that some of these casting were known to have that issue so they are both leaning again my shop wall in the SCRAP zone. I'm just glad I didn't go to the work and expense of installing bigger valves. 1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27 Livin and lovin life one day at a time

Re: FINALLY got me a 360.. [Re: pittsburghracer] #2078271 05/22/16 02:28 PM 05/22/16 02:28 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Other than what I said before I did forget to say.. that the W-2s can be bought in a race or econo version which is simple to spot.. the race ones dont have the pedestals for the rocker shafts.. the econo ones have the pedestals.. both sets of mine are the econo versions.. one set is the short valves the other is the long valve... I have never had the short valve ones on a engine yet.. I ported them and there they set.. I didnt get carried away with the port work on them so they didnt need any tubes added.. I think I have valves for them but I dont know... I might look to see what I can run for max lift on them just in case I want to put them on something... they should still flow right at 300 which is pretty simple on the W-2s

Re: FINALLY got me a 360.. [Re: pittsburghracer] #2078336 05/22/16 04:46 PM 05/22/16 04:46 PM
Joined: Sep 2014 Posts: 4,457 Washington M madscientist master
madscientist master M Joined: Sep 2014 Posts: 4,457 Washington	Originally Posted By pittsburghracer Do lots of research before buying W2 heads to avoid some issues and to make sure you get the set-up you want or need. I bought a set of Econo W2 heads and picked up some Crane and MP W2 rockers. I did some port work and with the stock 2.02 valves they were flowing slightly over 300 cfm. I ported the W2 intake and threw it in my Duster. After cam break-in I started it a few times in the shop and noticed a small puddle of water on the passenger side. Sure enough the heads cracked on the outside lower row of bolts by the W2 cast into the head. I ground the crack out and used Splash-zone epoxy to fix it and headed to the track. My Duster ran high 9 with that combo but about 3 months later the drivers-side head cracked in the same spot and even after a quick repair the crack continued to grow. After some reading I found out that some of these casting were known to have that issue so they are both leaning again my shop wall in the SCRAP zone. I'm just glad I didn't go to the work and expense of installing bigger valves. Do you want to sell those W2's. PM me if you do. Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston

Re: FINALLY got me a 360.. [Re: madscientist] #2078517 05/22/16 11:26 PM 05/22/16 11:26 PM
Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 2,154 Its a TRAP! DARTH V8Я OP Oh No!! I just had a moron attack!
DARTH V8Я OP Oh No!! I just had a moron attack! Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 2,154 Its a TRAP!	Originally Posted By madscientist Originally Posted By pittsburghracer Do lots of research before buying W2 heads to avoid some issues and to make sure you get the set-up you want or need. I bought a set of Econo W2 heads and picked up some Crane and MP W2 rockers. I did some port work and with the stock 2.02 valves they were flowing slightly over 300 cfm. I ported the W2 intake and threw it in my Duster. After cam break-in I started it a few times in the shop and noticed a small puddle of water on the passenger side. Sure enough the heads cracked on the outside lower row of bolts by the W2 cast into the head. I ground the crack out and used Splash-zone epoxy to fix it and headed to the track. My Duster ran high 9 with that combo but about 3 months later the drivers-side head cracked in the same spot and even after a quick repair the crack continued to grow. After some reading I found out that some of these casting were known to have that issue so they are both leaning again my shop wall in the SCRAP zone. I'm just glad I didn't go to the work and expense of installing bigger valves. Do you want to sell those W2's. PM me if you do. Same. Or any body else.. Mr P? When it takes more than a sweet mullet to prove you rule at the trailer park..

Re: FINALLY got me a 360.. [Re: DARTH V8Я] #2078537 05/22/16 11:52 PM 05/22/16 11:52 PM
Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 2,154 Its a TRAP! DARTH V8Я OP Oh No!! I just had a moron attack!
DARTH V8Я OP Oh No!! I just had a moron attack! Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 2,154 Its a TRAP!	Have you guys tried that electric motor paint? I tried some of it.. for a base coat on the timing cover, pretty slick. Water pump was rattle canned. When it takes more than a sweet mullet to prove you rule at the trailer park..

Re: FINALLY got me a 360.. [Re: DARTH V8Я] #2079161 05/24/16 01:47 AM 05/24/16 01:47 AM
Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 2,154 Its a TRAP! DARTH V8Я OP Oh No!! I just had a moron attack!
DARTH V8Я OP Oh No!! I just had a moron attack! Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 2,154 Its a TRAP!	LOL. Original timing chain, no broken teeth. Valved move freely.. yet somehow both the Intake and exhaust valves clipped the piston (#8). Also the exhaust valve clipped piston #2. Over rev much? When it takes more than a sweet mullet to prove you rule at the trailer park..

Re: FINALLY got me a 360.. [Re: DARTH V8Я] #2079169 05/24/16 02:21 AM 05/24/16 02:21 AM
Joined: Jun 2014 Posts: 5,183 P Porter67 master
Porter67 master P Joined: Jun 2014 Posts: 5,183	Maybe it was cammed at one time???

Re: FINALLY got me a 360.. [Re: DARTH V8Я] #2079176 05/24/16 02:39 AM 05/24/16 02:39 AM
Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 2,154 Its a TRAP! DARTH V8Я OP Oh No!! I just had a moron attack!
DARTH V8Я OP Oh No!! I just had a moron attack! Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 2,154 Its a TRAP!	Dunno. I'll have to check the cam in it. The head gaskets were done (composite, black in colour). Intake rails & face had a bejesus amount of silicon on em. Note; silicon blocking 1/2 the water ports aren't a good thing. That stock 2bbl intake weighs A LOT. Yikes lol. When it takes more than a sweet mullet to prove you rule at the trailer park..

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