Just a heads up, Monster Mopar at Norwalk now includes the xtreme outlaw series this year on July 29 and 30.
This means it will include brand x cars predominantly Mustangs. This may change come race day. Something usually does. See you there!

I think someone is trying to stir the pot

I was hoping to get a post out about this first but I see that social media on a Sunday moves faster than I do.

It's true - the Xtreme Outlaw Series lost their facility they were racing at last year and needed a place to race this year. I was able to help them with that.

Here's the plan.
They have 4 heads up classes. Limited street, x275, Ultimate Street and MX235

We knew we didn't have time to include all their index classes

Roughly 12-15 cars per class. They are mostly brand X cars it is true but they are not their to participate in any of the Monster Mopar Classes...but if a Mopar wanted to jump in and race with them that is fine.
They will qualify and make their first round of eliminations on Friday leaving just a few rounds of racing through Saturday

Its far more about helping a good grass roots organization continue their growth. The series pays for it self and they provide their own tech and support staff.

Further more, im pretty sure every racer I know has latched on to really getting enjoyment out of watching the heads up small tire racing that now provides the most exciting racing we have seen in years.

Our goal is to not upset the loyal Mopar participants but help the sport.

I have no issue seeing these classes run. However with the normal amount of cars at this event it is PACKED anyway. Super Pro, Pro, Sportsman, Big Dog, N/SS, Hemi, KOS, and is there 10.0? Counting the additional 4 classes that's 12. I foresee missed time trials and Chaos. Lets hope not.
Doug

No issue here either. If fact it could be refreshing to see some of these classes live and in action to bring something other to the event. I also would hope no interference in any of the Mopar classes in either time trials, gamblers races or eliminations. I'm sure there could be time as long as we are not cutting off racing at 5 PM!


Also may want to think about parking - maybe this added group could all be put together on the opposite side of the track? Just a thought.

XOS is a great series, hopefully it's an eye opener to a lot of mopar guys that 90% of the car world has advanced way more than us... I E we need to step it up

I was thinking the same on the parking

Parking is a BIG issue at this race ESPECIALLY with the big "you can't park here area guy". I showed up early to get a nice spot and while pulling in someone comes running over to me screaming YOU CAN'T PARK HERE. What a monkey azz he was. I guess the one class gets a SPECIAL area roped off and all weekend long many of those spots remained open.

I always enjoy the heads up cars.

Just need to kibosh the saving of pits spots.

I think the large area was for the Nostalgia cars. They must have to save that area for the oldtimers so they are closer to the bathrooms. LOL. A spot or two for your buddies I'm cool with but this was extreme.

I almost ran a guy over once trying that "cant park here" crap. Tough $#!t. First come first serve. Lucky the knuckle head jumped out of the way.

this spells cluster f@@@. not a single XOS race was finished last year for one reason or another...they require long turn around between rounds, and need 5 guys and 5 mins. to stage a car...MISTAKE... lots of mopar guys who race these events are once a year mopar only event racers.. it should go over very well for the future of MM by pissin those guys off.
good luck!!!

I agree with others. No issue with other brands but parking will be an issue. Was trying to decide whether to go to the Nats or this event. I will take a wait and see approach and hopefully this will be addressed.
Maybe the non-mopar class can all pit on the spectator side and this will help.

That is the preliminary plan is to park all the cars together on the opposing side of the track. Close to the staging lanes that are unused by us at this time.

Josh that is good to know. Just keep us posted as to the developments. I do want to attend and BrandX wont keep me away as long as it doesnt affect the Mopar Programs time trials and scheduled racing.

Yup, it was for the Hemi Super Stock and Nostalgia classes I think.

and LOL on the last part...

If all goes well I plan on running x235, and KOS.



Going to be a good weekend.

We are going to park them as a group on the spectator side of the track we hope. Remember this gets run mostly on Friday. Which we are done fairly early every Friday. They will have a few rounds of eliminations to complete first half of the day Saturday.

I'm also anticipating being a few racers short due to the date change, but then again we may pick up racers due to the summer as well.

None the less we have ran the numbers and we won't have a problem getting them in.

We also shouldn't experience as much end of year breakage and with the DA not being as good as typically seen in September, I assume folks won't be trying to set personal bests, keeping some breakage down as well.

In addition our evenings will be better suited for later racing if need be

Sounds like fun as I enjoy putting MUDSTAINS back in the box !!

X275 and breakage go hand in hand. This is my 5th year of MMW, as long as I can still park on the grass side of the back 40 and be away from people, i'll have no problem dealing with the bellybutton mustangs. I love racing, just hate people.

Wouldn't mind taking the Buick to run there in Outlaw Limited Street, but their weight is too heavy. Have to put 500 pounds in car

I didn't know chads car weighed 2600lbs

Thanks Gary!!!

You are the best

That's in "Outlaw trim". We have to be 2750-2800 for Drag Radial or Limited Drag Radial

Wouldn't mind see that at all! There's a GN here that street driven and runs high 8's.

I think you can weigh 3100 and race with these guys

2016 OLS
Must have mufflers (except turbo entries)
Must have working headlights and taillights
Lexan allowed (windows do not have to function)
After market bolt on front clip allowed
Tube Chassis limited to stock wheelbase +/- 1”
Tube Chassis required to carry 50% on front tires
Pro chargers are limited to a F3-139 series
Alcohol permitted
**Above 101 Turbo and F-3 Supercharged cars limited to 31X10.5W tire or DOT Radial**
**Any roots blower 8-71 and smaller can run any tire**
**Any roots over 8-71 limited to 31x10.5W tire**
**Any F-2 Procharger or 101 and smaller turbo can run a 33W tire**
Any HEMI heads on 5" or larger bore space limited to 31W tire
ANY ENGINE(n/a or nos)OVER A 5" BORE SPACE LIMITED TO 31W
2250lbs. small block N/A
2550lbs. small block NOS (2 stages) add 50lbs for 3rd stage
3000lbs. small block blowers and single turbo
3200lbs small block twin turbo (true 10.5 or DOT Radial/no wheelie bars)
2400lbs. BB N/A conventional heads
2500lbs. BB N/A Chrysler with non conv heads
2550lbs. BB N/A under 5"bs non conventional heads
2700lbs. BB N/A 5" bs
2800lbs. BB N/A over 5"bs
2900lbs. BB NOS with conventional heads(single stage)
2950lbs. BB NOS with conventional heads(two stage)
3100lbs. BB NOS non-conventional heads-single stage
3200lbs. BB NOS UNDER 5"BS non-conv two-stage(big tires)
3200lbs. BB NOS 5" and over non-conv two-stage run on 31W tire
3100lbs. BB blowers and single turbo
3300lbs BB twin turbo (true 10.5 or DOT Radial/no wheelie bars)
Add 50lbs for ANY billet heads
Add 50lbs for split carbs on all combos(on big tire combos only)
Add 50lbs for sheet metal intakes on NOS combos(big tires only)
Add 100lbs for Symmetrical Heads on NOS combo(big tires only)
Deduct 75lbs for use of single carb on any combo
Deduct 125lbs. for single stage plate
Deduct 100lbs for a true 10.5" slick or 275/60
BOP combos run at small block weights

XOS reserves the right to make changes to any combination if deemed necessary by the XOS staff #xosrules






 2016 X235 Rules

BODY & GLASS
* Must have working lights, stock appearing interior, carpet, door panels, factory style dash, stock floor pans, stock firewall.
-No body components, bumper add-ons, etc. permitted with the intent of increasing the distance of the front bumper for the purposes of breaking the infrared beams (i.e. no “extenders”)

TIRE. Must be mass produced. No test or one off tires
* 26x8.5x15
* 235x60x15
PN for the P235/60R15 is 17314DR2
PN for the 26.0/8.5-15 C11 is 18115
Hoosier Tires only

SUSPENSION
* No wheelie bars.
* All vehicles must retain the factory frame rails. Notching for rear tire clearance is permitted.
* Stock suspension or ladders bars only
*coilovers ok

POWER ADDERS
* Single type power adder only. All combos

NITROUS:
No multiple stages permitted.*
No progressive controllers or Digisets
No Pusher systems of any kind (No NANO or similar), No nitrous chillers (NO COLD
NITROUS)
All nitrous solenoid grounds must be grounded in engine compartment and
visible. ( in plain sight)
No "leaking" nitrous in any way in any location.
Must have perfectly round jet orifice. No modified jets
Purge plume must be entirely outside of the engine bay and
directed upward.

Big Block OEM Block Nitrous entries maximum jetting
1 jet .076
2 jets .053
8 jets .026

Small Block Nitrous entries maximum jetting
1 jet .082
2 jets .057
8 jets .028

Small Block Nitrous entries maximum jetting(8.2 Deck ONLY!!!)
1 jet .092
2 jet .065
8 jet .032

FORCED INDUCTION
* Max turbo size 76mm measured tip to tip. (no reducers allowed to achieve this size and no clipped wheels)
* You may be required at any time to remove your turbo and/or your turbo cover to be checked.
* Maximum supercharger sizes D1, V-7 JT Trim, NOVI 2000, Kenny Bell 3.6
YSI, F1A F1C allowed. see weight
* 6-71 blowers Sb only
* No gear drives
* Air to water, Air to air intercooler OR water meth injection allowed. Can only run 1 style intercooler
* A single line from the manifold to the wastegate only
* Nothing else to top of wastegate or blow off valve

EXHAUST
* Mufflers required on all entries except turbo cars.

CYLINDER HEAD / ENGINE INDUCTION
* Big block OE passenger car block.
* Big blocks limited to stock valve angle. Call or PM for approved heads.
* Cylinder heads for SB limited to, 23 degree Chevrolet, 15 degree LS, 18 degree Mopar, 20 degree Ford, OEM Ford casting 4v Modular, any 2v Modular, Trick Flow Twisted Wedge and LS 13.5 OK
* All cylinder heads must maintain the automobile OEM intake manifold bolt pattern.
* Sheet metal or tunnel ram intakes manifolds not permitted.
* Single carb or throttle body

FUEL
* Gasoline or E85 are the only fuels permitted. Methanol only allowed in a 50/50 mix with water and is considered an intercooler.

ELECTRONICS
* Any ignition or EFI permitted.
* No traction control devices of ANY kind.
* No progressive nitrous controllers allowed.
* No boost controllers allowed. Solenoids must be removed from car
* No digiset

BASE WEIGHTS
* SB naturally aspirated - 2700
* SB nitrous - 8.2 deck or modular 3000
* SB nitrous - 3050 see bottom for weights
* SB turbo - 3300
* 6 Cyl turbo - 3200
* SB turbo billet 76 - 3500
* SB YSI billet - 3350
* SB & V6cyl supercharged/Blower - 3050
* SB F1A 3100
* SB YSI and F1C(91series) 3250
* BB NA 3000
* BB nitrous 3250
*4cyl VW 1600
*4cyl turbo manual trans 2025
*4cyl turbo auto trans 2225
*Inline 6 turbo manual trans 2900
*Inline 6 turbo auto trans 3100
* No AWD vehicles

WEIGHT PENALTIES AND DEDUCTIONS
* Deduct 50lbs for 235 radial (any combo can take weight break)
* Deduct 50lbs for SBC and SBF Stockblock. No deductions for Mod and
LS Stockblock
* Deduct 50lbs for 6AL or equivalent box with no add ons
* Add 50lbs for BBF A head
* Add 50lbs for All* SB Highport, Ford TFS-R, TFS Highport
* Add 75 lbs for All SB Nitrous 20 degree high port SR20 –FT1 or T1RI or equivalent, 15* SBF and SBC Nitrous 18* and 23* raised runner heads. No turbo/ supercharger combos with these heads
With all the new heads that are coming out, we will look at them and adjust periodically.
Engine diapers are mandatory
ANY





U/S and x275 are ran with John Sears rules.

Thanks for the above post. Can you list or do you know an average ET for each class.

X235 record is 5.20s sbf nitrous, you can go rounds if you run 5.60-.30s this class will probably be faster this year

X275 4.70-80s average I'd say.


US 5.0-.20


Ols is typically a bit faster then x275.


But it depends on who shows up. Alot of fast radial cars run this local series.

Looks like we would have to weigh at least 3300lbs, same as a twin turbo car on alcohol and be down 1000hp to them, plus run on two kits..............PASS.............Insane rules. Nitrous car has NO chance. Rules allow 3.80 capable turbo cars at the weight they normally run at.........CRAZY

@ 3400lbs how do you cut the .400 tree.. not a chance. Those X235 rules are something all right.

I have a customer that I think runs this series. We sold him the motor out of the Buick, as we are building a new one. Some of these rules came about AFTER he bought that motor. Seems they were concerned about how fast the Buick had been, 4 teens, that they went WAY overboard in Limited Street on the nitrous rules. Never mind the fact that we only went teens in Outlaw trim at 2600lbs.

If you look at the rules, it shows just how scared they are of a big motor.......YET they let a single stage, conventional headed big block weigh 300lbs LESS than the same combo runs in X275, where the "hitter" nitrous guys run 4.40s. Those rules make ZERO sense.

Drawn up for the fox body crowd. That's the only way it makes sense.

The body makes no difference............it's the weight limits for the power combos. In radial racing, few fox bodies are actually even Ford powered, so that's a non issue

I was referring to the 235 class.. but I get your point

We will run the 235 class on motor. A 5.10 will win in my opinion . We ran the barracuda at their last race the "Finale at the Valley" last year and ran 4.80'S and won. The fastest car we saw was a 4.73. We have been to a couple of their events. Hopefully by race time we will be a high 40's or low 50's car.

Unfortunately it appears as if this portion of the race is not going to happen.

We are back to our regularly scheduled program.