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Re: molnar crank and rods machined quality? [Re: dvw] #2046761
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Sounds like you got a good one. Read and heard from others that theirs were not as good as yours. I was hoping to use the crank right out of the box. I may take a harder look at scat.

Re: molnar crank and rods machined quality? [Re: mopar dave] #2046851
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If it were my motor I would get all the parts then start measuring. If you don't know how or don't have the tools to do so than pay someone you does.... I don't care what anyone says, you don't know what your clearances are till you or someone measures you're clearances....
I had to buy 2 sets of bearings to get the clearance I wanted.

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Re: molnar crank and rods machined quality? [Re: ccdave] #2046858
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absolutely and couldn't agree more. i have the mics and dial bore gauge and will be measuring as i have all the engines i have put together. what would be a good affordable digital dial gauge for my bore gauge? brand name?

Re: molnar crank and rods machined quality? [Re: mopar dave] #2046864
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If what you have is accurate and have had no issues with your previous builds then I would use what you have.

Re: molnar crank and rods machined quality? [Re: ccdave] #2046867
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i would like to replace the analog gauge for a digital one. what brand of gauge would be affordable yet accurate enough to measure bearing clearance?

Re: molnar crank and rods machined quality? [Re: mopar dave] #2046889
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plan on dropping a lot of coin for a good digital one, I was looking at more than a grand for one that can measure in .0001 increments. Tim

Originally Posted By mopar dave
i would like to replace the analog gauge for a digital one. what brand of gauge would be affordable yet accurate enough to measure bearing clearance?


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Re: molnar crank and rods machined quality? [Re: astjp2] #2046957
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wow. i priced the brand i seen in one of Andys pics in his book. they were $300. im looking for something around $100 if that is possible.

Re: molnar crank and rods machined quality? [Re: astjp2] #2046975
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here is a $30 gauge with the same accuracy as the $300 gauges. same accuracy as my analog but i can read it easier as well.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/0-12-7mm-0-5-0-01mm-Digital-Probe-Indicator-Electronic-Dial-Test-Gauge-/221842075927?hash=item33a6d17117:g:YRQAAOSwd0BVvVVD

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Re: molnar crank and rods machined quality? [Re: mopar dave] #2047092
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I prefer an analog gauge, graduated to .0001. That way, I can see it sweep towards zero, and very easily take a reading off the needle, without having to digest a bunch of moving numbers. IMHO, .0001 is essential, .0005 is too vague.


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Re: molnar crank and rods machined quality? [Re: Hemi_Joel] #2047098
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i just may do that. All i have found with that accuracy was $200.

Re: molnar crank and rods machined quality? [Re: mopar dave] #2047340
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Originally Posted By mopar dave
Sounds like you got a good one. Read and heard from others that theirs were not as good as yours. I was hoping to use the crank right out of the box. I may take a harder look at scat.

Curious what issues you've heard about Molnar products because all that I've heard has been that their quality is extremely good.

Re: molnar crank and rods machined quality? [Re: BradH] #2047396
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Originally Posted By BradH
Originally Posted By mopar dave
Sounds like you got a good one. Read and heard from others that theirs were not as good as yours. I was hoping to use the crank right out of the box. I may take a harder look at scat.

Curious what issues you've heard about Molnar products because all that I've heard has been that their quality is extremely good.

Same here
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Re: molnar crank and rods machined quality? [Re: BradH] #2047400
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well we have been lead to believe they were near perfect. Doesnt look like it from the few pm's i received from members who have bought molnar cranks. Not bad product just not as good as we have been lead to believe.

Re: molnar crank and rods machined quality? [Re: mopar dave] #2047438
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Without "outing" the senders of those PMs, can you post the pertinent info contained in them? Thanks - Brad

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Re: molnar crank and rods machined quality? [Re: BradH] #2047490
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Its sounds to me you have a 50/50 chance at getting a crank that doesnt need machining. Dont want to spend $800 on a crank and have to take it to a machine shop to make it right. Any where from .0005 difference from one journal to next to having too tight clearance and having to have some taken off. .003 difference in lenght of rods. Some get a perfect crank and some dont. Its probably what i will end up with since i cant afford any thing better to be honest. I had problems like that with eagle and thought i could get away from all the extra machining.

Re: molnar crank and rods machined quality? [Re: mopar dave] #2047540
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i must have either got luck or muscle motors cleaned it up. my machinest said my was really nice.

Re: molnar crank and rods machined quality? [Re: mopar dave] #2047547
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I have yet to see any bad comments about Molnar products anywhere that I've searched. How are they accurately measuring rod length at home? How good are their tools? I'll bet that the measuring instruments at the manufacturer are a hell of a lot better than what most people use, including me. To be honest I didn't measure the length before hanging the pistons. If the deck height checks poor I'll investigate the cause. In my experience there is a stack up of correct crank index/stroke, pin location in the piston, and rod length. I've personally never built a motor that measured exact deck on all 8. I think a lot of builds miss import measurements and sweat the stuff that in most cases means nothing. How may measure lifter bores for size and placement, ring side clearance, bore for out of round and taper to the .000X? I'd rather have a few .0001" extra on he bearing or miss the deck height by .003" than have lousy bore or ring groove dimensions. Just my 2 cents.
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Re: molnar crank and rods machined quality? [Re: Runner] #2047548
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I will say that if anyone has a problem they should call and talk to Tom. He's accessible and answered a couple of questions I had on rod side clearance. Very helpful!

We had a minor problem of a misboxed BB Chevy crank in a Mopar box. It was remedied immediately with no hassle!

Re: molnar crank and rods machined quality? [Re: dvw] #2047581
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i agree. Not saying its horrible stuff. Just not as perfect as i read about their products. I will most likely buy molnar crank and rods. You can bet i will report here good or not so good. If i spend $800+ on a crank only having to remachine it I wouldnt be to happy. I can do that with an eagle crank.

Re: molnar crank and rods machined quality? [Re: mopar dave] #2047981
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The Molnar crank I have measured up pretty decent. Mains and rods had virtually zero taper and were within ~0.0002" across the board. I made the mistake of ordering my Indy Maxx block with 400 mains, so bearing selection is terrible. I ended up going 0.010" under and having the shop turn the crank where I wanted to get the clearances around 0.0033"-0.0035".

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