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#2099219 - 06/27/16 10:55 AM Re: 2016 Pikes Peak International Hill Climb [Re: TC@HP2]
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"Kevin finished...... 2nd in class at 10:39.964. Class win was Nick Robertson in the 2017 Acura NXS at 10:28.820."

That's close, over that circuit, right? eek
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#2099366 - 06/27/16 02:01 PM Re: 2016 Pikes Peak International Hill Climb [Re: Consulier]
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T/Anks for the race results info... CONGRATS TO KEVIN!
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#2099401 - 06/27/16 02:49 PM Re: 2016 Pikes Peak International Hill Climb [Re: Consulier]
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Pretty sure the NSX is twin turboed. Congrats Kevin, I'm betting you're didn't leave much if anything on the table.
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#2099450 - 06/27/16 04:12 PM Re: 2016 Pikes Peak International Hill Climb [Re: jcc]
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Originally Posted By jcc
"Kevin finished...... 2nd in class at 10:39.964. Class win was Nick Robertson in the 2017 Acura NXS at 10:28.820."

That's close, over that circuit, right? eek


Yea, that's pretty dang close and much closer a margin than should be reflected between a twin turbo car and a naturally aspirated car. No doubt Kevin's driving ability, the ACR's torque curve and aero package is what made it that close.

As a point of reference, the race starts at 9390' in elevation, rises 4720' in elevation to the 14,115 ft summit. Along the way is 12.56 miles of road and 156 turns. Naturally aspirated engines loose 30% of their power towards the top whereas a turbo engine will only loose 10-15% depending on tune parameters. The thin air also impacts drivers, so it isn't simply a mechanical function that altitude can impact. Hyperventilation, loss of strength, and errors in judgement can impact a driver unaccustomed to the altitude.

Yes, I hope Kevin can jump on here and provide his point of view of the events.

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#2099459 - 06/27/16 04:31 PM Re: 2016 Pikes Peak International Hill Climb [Re: Consulier]
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Sounds like they ran into over heating issues on raceday.
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#2099595 - 06/27/16 08:14 PM Re: 2016 Pikes Peak International Hill Climb [Re: TC@HP2]
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"The thin air also impacts drivers"

Never thought about, Last time I drove up the peak as a tourist, it was a chore to just walk from the car to the gift shop, and then I got a headache, guess all that Fla sea level living has its price. All the more remarkable for all those drivers. up
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#2100511 - 06/29/16 10:25 AM Re: 2016 Pikes Peak International Hill Climb [Re: Consulier]
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Video is out now of the full run from outside the car. It's the full unedited pass and you can see the issues we were having on race day.

The course was very greasy and hot on the lower section before Glen Cove (halfway, you'll see me pass the Ranger Station). This was not something we experienced in testing and cost a significant amount of time and confidence.

The car began to overheat shortly after Glen Cove and cut power in an effort to save itself. I did my best to destroy it and soldiered on to the top running the last 4 minutes with water temps from 240-244. You can here the car finally drop a cylinder in Boulder Canyon (all the bumps) and we finished on 5 cylinders in limp mode.

Hot Rod Viper - Pikes Peak Full Race Day Run

I'll post up some more details over the next few days and answer questions.
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#2100527 - 06/29/16 11:16 AM Re: 2016 Pikes Peak International Hill Climb [Re: Consulier]
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You used her up! Man all I can say is the NSX lucked out.
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#2100762 - 06/29/16 07:55 PM Re: 2016 Pikes Peak International Hill Climb [Re: Consulier]
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Great job up there Kevin. Super impressive.
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#2100764 - 06/29/16 08:00 PM Re: 2016 Pikes Peak International Hill Climb [Re: Uhcoog1]
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OTW question, do they run with outside mirrors on the Peak? work
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#2100795 - 06/29/16 08:52 PM Re: 2016 Pikes Peak International Hill Climb [Re: jcc]
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Originally Posted By jcc
OTW question, do they run with outside mirrors on the Peak? work


Bruce didn't use them on his Class 8 Kenworth! As I recall his run was on dirt (back when) and just a bit under 14 minutes. 2000hp. I know people who were on the development team for that rig.

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#2100934 - 06/29/16 11:58 PM Re: 2016 Pikes Peak International Hill Climb [Re: Consulier]
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Couple items...

Time Attack 2 is the Production Class. Only modifications are safety, open exhaust and engine calibration. Everything else must be OEM as delivered. Mirrors have to stay on, just like the stock dash, body panels, etc... No, I couldn't run any aftermarket cooling items.

Hypoxia was not an issue since I ran O2 in the car and maitained at least a 95% saturation while sitting in the pits. I carried a monitor and a bottle pretty much everywhere.

The only times to use for comparison are the final qualifying results and race day results. The other practice sections have standing starts and you can't use that as much of a base. At 13,000 ft we launch horrible compared to an AWD turbo hybrid. Just can't compete there and I wanted to save the clutch. The mid section practice I ran one pass to satisfy my Rookie requirements and basically idled through the session.

We ran both tire test weekends before race week. We knew where we were at time wise and didn't push during any race week practice sessions. Our qualifying time set the unofficial TA2 record. I say unofficial because the santioning body doesn't keep track, but everyone else does. You'll see press releases about qualifying records when they are set.

Based on our tire test weekend times we were planning for a 10:10 pass on race day. With the problems we had, that pass should have been very attainable and I still feel the car could dip into the 9 minute range if everything came together as planned.

There is still plenty more in the car and the driver. It's not a race where you can make big jumps to find the limit, it has to be methodical to avoid mistakes, which are very costly.

I'm happy we were able to finish and everyone on the team did a fantastic job. It was a ton of work and effort, it's unfortunate we ran into an issue that we just had no way to economically test for in advance. We could have rented the mountain for full passes, but there just wasn't any budget for that type of test.

Just as a side note... this was not a factory backed effort like Acura. It was a mixture of my friends, some dedicated SRT guys and some support from VP and Kumho. I think it's pretty amazing that a group of guys, really just doing this for fun, were able to put so much pressure on a factory backed effort.
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#2101032 - 06/30/16 09:22 AM Re: 2016 Pikes Peak International Hill Climb [Re: Consulier]
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Well done up
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#2101064 - 06/30/16 10:16 AM Re: 2016 Pikes Peak International Hill Climb [Re: Consulier]
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Yeah I read you had Dave K. assisting, that must've been cool.
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#2126732 - 08/06/16 06:54 PM Re: 2016 Pikes Peak International Hill Climb [Re: Consulier]
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I apologize for the lack of communication.

The vintage car class at PP has been gutted starting in 2013. This year was the 100th anniversary event and in my opinion the only participants should have been previous competitors/vehicles with a heavy emphasis on vintage cars and bikes. Kevin, no offense intended toward you.

We were very fortunate this year, we were the only vintage car to finish. The Porch (Porsche) overheated and the engine quit within site of the summit at Devil's Playground. The Camaro crashed when the driver accidentally hit both the brake and gas at the end of the third leg of the W and crashed hard. Thankfully, he was uninjured but his race car is a total.

Our goal was to beat our 2012 time of 12:03. In an effort to make the Cuda handle better we increased the front spring rate and decreased the rear rate. Thank you Dan Weishaar for the spring rate help! We re-installed the factory rear anti-sway bar and used Hoosier autocross radials, 275-17 front/295-17 rear. The car was great. I had new found confidence in the car and drove it much harder through the corners.

On race day we actually left the starting line twice. The course was red flagged as we came out of Gilley's heading up the hill to the Ski Parking Area. On my way back to the starting line I realized I had warm tires and an opportunity to "fix" two corners I didn't do correctly. I arrived at the starting line and the starter asked if I wanted 20 minutes to refuel and I replied, "NO, I WANT TO GO NOW" which I think surprised him so he told me to get the car turned around. The starting line area is a very narrow two lane so in an effort to keep the front tires clean I did a three point turn around and backed the car off the road knowing I would be able to clean the rear tires on the start.

After getting the second green flag I drove harder and "fixed" the two corners and came through Halfway Picnic grounds two mph faster than the first time at 104 mph. The rear suspension improvements dictated a wider line through the switchbacks in the W because the inside rear tire would come off the pavement. I saw the Porch parked at Devil's Playground as I came by and the thought flashed through my head that we had a chance to win.

Thankfully, I arrived on the summit and felt we should have a sub 12 minute lap, maybe in the 11:45 range. The number on the door of the car is the amount of time we were better than 2012, 42 seconds @ 11:21.

Below is a link to our raw dash cam video. We had 6 cameras mounted on the car which is going to take a while for our videographer to compile and I will provide a link to that once it is completed.

Kevin Wesley, it was great to meet up with you once again and I hope we get to race at a future event. I know a guy with a Duster lemons car that is a lot of fun.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=521yP6Ajgqo&feature=youtu.be

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#2126767 - 08/06/16 07:59 PM Re: 2016 Pikes Peak International Hill Climb [Re: cudaracer42]
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Great vid. Congrats on an awesome run. beer
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#2127224 - 08/07/16 02:52 PM Re: 2016 Pikes Peak International Hill Climb [Re: Consulier]
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Glad to have the mopars and their drivers back in one piece! And I'm glad the suggestions helped out! I'll have to find the time next year to come up there. It looks like I'm missing out on way too much fun.

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#2127293 - 08/07/16 04:31 PM Re: 2016 Pikes Peak International Hill Climb [Re: 68rrunner]
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If I participate next year it may have to be in a different class. Word is they have dropped the vintage cars. There also may be other classes that get dropped. The org needs feedback from spectators about which classes are the most popular.

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#2127459 - 08/07/16 08:25 PM Re: 2016 Pikes Peak International Hill Climb [Re: cudaracer42]
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That was impressive video up, need to be much younger man then me to try that. grin

Curious, how many cars on the course at one time?
Does track temp change much from start to finish, I don't remember seeing that much snow on the mountain when I drove up.
The white blocks on shoulder of the course, can't make out what they are, are they for braking points, or what?
Nice not having any distracting flag men , unless I guess its a red flag.
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#2127989 - 08/08/16 02:43 PM Re: 2016 Pikes Peak International Hill Climb [Re: jcc]
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>Curious, how many cars on the course at one time?

We started at a 2 or 3 minute interval, can't remember which. There could be 3-4 cars on course at any one time in different sections, but you aren't passing anyone at speed.

> Does track temp change much from start to finish, I don't remember seeing that much snow on the mountain when I drove up.

Yes, it can vary by 30-40+ degrees from top to base within the same run. When we came down it was ice and sleet at the summit. The base was still at almost 80 degrees I would say.

>The white blocks on shoulder of the course, can't make out what they are, are they for braking points, or what?

Anything on the side is something that racers, or spectators, put on the course. Stacked stones usually. Some people went up to put markers out, but they do not last until race day usually. There are no "official" braking markers.
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