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Re: BELLE ROSE SS/AH NEWS AND UPDATES 2006
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04/25/06 04:08 PM
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NHRA said it was illegal, so that is what it is.
I am not saying that cheating is not happening -- but when you get caught - have enough character to stand up and admit your were cheating - don't blame it on someone or something else.
And yes, everyone of the Missile cars were very illegal (read bogus) -- but so was Jenkins and Dyno and Sox and Booth and Maskins and Poole and VanCleeve and Bagshaw and Yow and etc etc etc --- WE all were CHEATERS !!!
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Re: BELLE ROSE SS/AH NEWS AND UPDATES 2006
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04/25/06 06:18 PM
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Here is a letter from
Charlie Westcott telling his take on this subject as he has been bad mouth on another board,so he had to defend himself from bucky and friends of bucky  
this is pretty bad when the guy that did nothing wrong has to tell people what happen,how dare they make him the bad guy. 
the talk around here in ohio is the same things as stewart has been saying.and to keep the check and trophys and now its up to charlie to get them back what he supposed to do? like the bucky family going to give them to him. 
i also read the post on marie site before they were deleted,i could not belive  what bucky son was saying and blaming charlie and then all his buddy bashing charlie.
thats is why this is the best site on the internet for info and the truth and you can speak your mind without getting bash 
and i am a big pancake fan i can tell you that i am sure that our ohio hemi guys pancake and wilkes
dont go along with this crap. 
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Re: BELLE ROSE SS/AH NEWS AND UPDATES 2006
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04/25/06 07:09 PM
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I talked to Charlie today and he said that chrysler has not paid out the money yet to anyone. Charlie got the money for low qualifier. Bucky has the trophy and the large check with his name on it. (the one you keep as a trophy)
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Re: BELLE ROSE SS/AH NEWS AND UPDATES 2006
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04/25/06 07:19 PM
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I talked to Charlie today and he said that chrysler has not paid out the money yet to anyone. Charlie got the money for low qualifier. Bucky has the trophy and the large check with his name on it. (the one you keep as a trophy)
jake are you the ss/ah guy that has that great looking dart?
well i guess they cant cash that big check
now all he has to do is get the trophys
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Re: BELLE ROSE SS/AH NEWS AND UPDATES 2006
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04/25/06 07:24 PM
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Did anyone happen to save the comments that Hess made on the Marie's site -- I sure would like to read that - email or pm me if you have it
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Re: BELLE ROSE SS/AH NEWS AND UPDATES 2006
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04/25/06 07:59 PM
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Did anyone happen to save the comments that Hess made on the Marie's site -- I sure would like to read that - email or pm me if you have it
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P9x25, i was just getting ready to print them out when the whole thing was deleted at that time it was real ugly and marie was also getting bad mouth by bucky son his name is travis it had alot of nasty stuff in it thats why it was deleted and charlie was on his way home so he couldn't defend himself i wish i could tell you word by word but i would just screw it up they made charlie out the bad guy and marie sorry maybe someone else did.
and you are stand up guy
you tell it like it is.
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Re: BELLE ROSE SS/AH NEWS AND UPDATES 2006
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04/25/06 08:02 PM
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c'mon guys,, let it go. let the parties that have a specific interest talk this through. this isnt productive for anything or anyone.
jeff
jeff i am sorry i posted before i saw yours.
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Re: BELLE ROSE SS/AH NEWS AND UPDATES 2006
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i was down there, and went to dinner with bucky on friday night. he overlooked this, or he knew about it. who cares?? this is embarassing for bucky and the win went to charlie. im sure after bucky thinks this over he will calm down. i didnt talk to him after he was thrown out, but could you imagine his shame?? what they threw him out for was nothing the really gave him an advantage. if he had another set of carbs on it, he still would have beat everyone that he DID beat. this is between charlie and bucky to get the trophy and that big check back. the track was total crap on saturday and things played out the way they did,, so be it. bucky is nothing less or more in my book because of this. he is a good guy and straight and honest.. period. anyone who is upset that they were taken out by him through eliminations is a baby. his carbs didnt do a damn thing for it. most of you guys on here dont know the entire story, and if you did, might think differnetly. im not going into it because its not productive for anyone.
this is the way i see it....
fastest a/h cars in the country
1. westcott(who cares what carbs)
2. bucky (who cares what carbs)
3. wilkes
4.holton
5.defrank/houser
the rest get so close and guys are working out their combos so its a judgement call. we will see at the next race when they are all together and see how it plays out. jerry caro had the best 60ft, so he had the best working car,, but he didnt run when the track went away.
jeff
Well said Jeff!!! Yes Bucky was wrong. Yes he reacted bad when it all went down. Do you expect him to be happy? I'm sure Bucky will cool off and everything will work out.
And the crap on Marie's board is insane!!! I will never post on there ever again or until she requires names and emails. What a bunch of jerks. All of this bickering among the SS/AH faithful has just given more fuel to the Hemi Haters fire. 
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Re: BELLE ROSE SS/AH NEWS AND UPDATES 2006
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04/25/06 09:00 PM
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Exactly what I said before, the brand X ers will have a field day with this. Because remember every brand X car is totally 100% legal. Like the only way a Vette can run AA is to take the Hemis out of the class. Get over it guys! and go back to racing those awesome cars!!!
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Re: BELLE ROSE SS/AH NEWS AND UPDATES 2006
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04/25/06 09:35 PM
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Alright then....I have a little input. First of all,Bucky is a friend of mine and has been for years. I hate it for him and for all involved that this happened...but its not the end of the world.Bucky is a great guy. I have no idea how he reacted or how he handled himself...but unless we were actually there....then all we can do is listen and believe who we choose. I can guarnatee you that if someone were to nit-pick ,every one of the SS/AH cars have something illegal.Whether it be on the suspension,engine or whatever. Not neccessarily a performance advantage...but bending the rules.
Now....I am building a new Top/Stock car. I am a welder and a rancher.I had my engine built by Southland Performance. The heads and intake were done by Jeff. If I had to go thru teardown...and it was found I was illegal because my combustion chambers had been messed with or because the cam had to much lift...well ? Yes it was my car,and it was illegal..but to call me a cheater wouldnt be very appropriate.I dont know how to check those things and I have to intrust those that did the work to do that. Do you see where I'm coming from ? The carbs on Bucky's car were done by Braswell if I'm not mistaken. Westcott said he builds his own engine and his own carbs...but I know he doesnt build the whole car. Point is...when you run a class car-there are things that other folks sometimes get hired to do that you cant really check--not everyone,but majority of racers.
To get on a computer and run off at the mouth and bash anyone is gutless. I dont care who you are. This was a bad situation and is being blown way out of proportion. Do you think folks acted like this back in the 60's ? We all push the rules....and if you dont.....you'll never be the fastest.
I saw a big named guy kicking butt in Comp. Eliminator years ago...but I noticed his clutch pedal was protruding thru the floor...not swinging like it did from the factory. It was not what the rules called for, but it wasnt a big deal...see where I'm coming from ?
I dont know Westcott,so I dont have an opinion of him. Hes a great racer and a good engine builder-thats been proven. Bucky is a good guy too and we all have similar interests. All the hoopla is good for competition....but enough is enough.
I know something else...Joe Clark is a heck of an engine builder and he is showing already he can make horsepower with the HEMI ! He hasnt been working on it that long. I like the HEMI wars. I wish I could win the lottery and play with the HEMI guys myself.....lol.
I dont know many folks on this board and I'm not trying to make any enemies. Jeff has been very good to me and I'm happy with the work he has done for me. Hes the only one I have ever talked to on here. I want apologize to any of you for the way I feel. I'm not politically correct !I know that. I just hope we can all get along and keep on racing.
Adios !
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Re: BELLE ROSE SS/AH NEWS AND UPDATES 2006
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04/26/06 08:47 AM
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Friend or Foe -- A little or A lot -- Charlie or Bucky. These are not the issues in question here.
It appears that some people are losing sight of what is Right and what is Wrong.
If you win a contest and afterwards, during a technical inspection, it is discovered that you violated the written rules - you are disqualified - you do not win - you lose because you cheated. There are no degrees of wrong. If it is your friend, he cheated. If it is your enemy, he cheated. This is very plain and simple. If you doubt this, ask your wife if she thinks Clinton had sex with Monica!
This is not the end of the world for most of the people involved. It is not about what someone else did, or if everyone else violated some rule. It is about the credibility of the series, the people that oversee it and the people that fund it..
It is about the Winner meeting the written rules.
Where this went totally bad, is the actions and comments made after the DQ. The disrespect some people have shown towards other competitors or websites, and the comments and threats still being made by a minority of people. These actions reflect badly on the people and teams involved and they should get that taken care of.
Some people, here, really need to step back and reevaluate their attitudes and core beliefs. Our society is based on rules, no one is above them nor exempt from them. If someone thinks that they are, then they are disrespecting all the rest of us and we should not tolerate it. If you do not like the rules, then work to change them.
It is very noticeable that some of the people involved - have not gotten into this bad display of a lack of self control. I applaud those people, they have the class, character and integrity to not dirty themselves nor their sponsors with this issue.
Right or Wrong - Legal or Illegal - and how you represent yourself, your family, your sponsor and your group. These are the only things that matter.... A very simple concept and an easy decision to make.
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Re: BELLE ROSE SS/AH NEWS AND UPDATES 2006
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04/26/06 02:39 PM
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doest anyone know the truth about this statement i saw else where. quote[anyone with a flow beach that has done any testing will tell you that yes,thining out the blades and/or shaving the blade screws will increase cfm flow.]quote i am just trying to get an answer to this question,true or false? anybody know? 
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Re: BELLE ROSE SS/AH NEWS AND UPDATES 2006
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04/26/06 04:36 PM
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ok guys,, the rule from nhra is that you can drill fuel flow passages and air bleeds,, all other modifications are prohibited. now if someone has thinned blades and profiled screws but another has down leg boosters when they had straight leg from the factory,, is there a difference in this? is one legal and the other not? i think this is where bucky has a problem and why he is arguing. charlie had down leg boosters in the secondary and bucky had the thinned blades and so on. now nhra told charlie it was ok to run with those carbs, but some guys are still complaining.
julie,, do you know of anyone or did you guys get pumped for displacement on saturday? i know they pumped teuton, wilkes, and hess,, you know of anymore?
jeff
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